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com. Now let’s get to today’s episode. Today has a new name a brand new name. It’s called the your revolution podcast Which I’m really really excited about and I decided I’ve been thinking about it for a few months that I wanted to change the name and Because the stories that we tell on this podcast are all about the turning point in people’s lives and the idea of that is to encourage a turning point in your life if it’s something that you want to do and so I thought your revolution fits really nicely with that because we’re also keeping in line with the the gym that this has come from which is revolution personal training.

And that’s the the idea of the podcast. And today is probably probably the most exciting day of my life because I am talking to one of my really good friends and probably the person that absolutely epitomizes the mission of this podcast. Hamish Blake. – Jaina, what an honour. Thanks, Jaina. – Thank you. – On episode one, that’s 50. – Exactly, that’s it. So thank you so much. I know that you’re probably the busiest man in Australia and I really, really appreciate your time. – I mean, I put my laptop on the table to give the illusion that I was doing before you got here.

But if you do want to honestly know what I was doing. Yes. So when you got here, Jack, Captain Jack, who works on the radio show, what this was here. And we were like, oh, we should have a day where we have a think about maybe some stuff for the radio show. We spent most of today, we had this idea that, I’ll have to make sure Andy doesn’t listen to this, but we had this idea like wouldn’t it be amazing, because we’re back on here and we’re still going a couple of weeks to go to a balcony. If when we came back to the radio show, we’d learned like a really difficult song, like hear on guitar and me on drums.

We listened to music for about 45 minutes, just playing the song for song to each other pretending that we were playing the music. So I wasn’t that busy before you got it. – That’s so funny. Well, you know what? I was reading something today about when you are trying to be creative, it’s good to actually do your work and then put it down and then come back to it. So like after this hour, who knows what you’re gonna create? – I’ve heard that’s a technique where people write down a problem before bed. – Yep. – And then like your brain just sorts it out.

– Absorbs it. Well, this is what someone once said to me. And so before an exam, I used to actually put my notes under my pillow. I just hope that the information would sink into my brain. I don’t know if it’s a technical float up. You really need to learn a bit. But I mean, I should have used gravity. I should have put it above me. Maybe then that would have worked. Just something better than what I was doing. I mean, I was a fiend for, I firmly believe that, I had a way better short term memory than a long term memory.

So I convinced myself the most effective way to learn a course was to get up really, really early on the morning of the year and to spend three hours reading all the course notes. – Yeah, did it work? – Having never done, like I convinced myself I could not do the subject and I could get up really early, a past some management subject that way. I think with what you studied though, it was science and commerce. Science you can’t do that. You can’t feel out a maths formula that you’ve got to learn. No, damn it. You can feel out management for sure.

Because a lot of it’s sort of emotional and they’re like, you know, what remedies would you put in place if you were running this business? And so some of that could just become incense. Totally. But there’s not many. You can’t make up. Yeah. But if it’s like, you know, you use Gorbitt’s theorem to solve this and you don’t know what that theorem is. It’s a, you’re either incredible if you invented it on the spot. You just don’t know what it is. It’s so funny. You should have done an arts degree because what I learnt very early in my arts degree was that if you could justify anything, you’re right.

You’re right. Yeah, there was no actual answer. It’s actually about digging in for fun. Yeah, totally. And if you don’t really care about what you’re digging in. Totally. Well, thank you so much for being on the show. I really, really appreciate it. Obviously, he needs no introduction. Everybody knows everything about him. But I want to introduce you how I know you and how I met you. And because it was Adam’s I I know it took me a few years to get onto it, but you know I remember the wise words. We did lead in a cafeteria.

Do you know what? We probably met early in the morning beside an oval. Yes. When you used to run past county, the better symbol. So we, there was a boxing gym on one side of the oval. Still there, although not for a longer. And then there was a little pavilion on the other side of the oval and it’s six in the morning. Like we were real, or seven in the morning. You know, you were running PT classes on that side and we were being a bunch of friends started going to this boxing class early like Mondays and Fridays. And then a lot of the times the boxing instructor, Jimmy, who we still see, but a lot of, I think a lot of his methodology was because it was slowly in the morning.

– Totally. – And I guess the thing is if you’re a boxing teacher, you have to seem like you’ve got it planned out for the day. – Totally. – And just a good stopgap, I reckon, for him to have a think about what we could do next was just telling us to run a lap. – Yeah. – Quite often you just see a bunch of guys running past boxing gloves on. – But the myth was you’d be carrying things, so you’d be carrying things with your boxing gloves on, which I always thought was really funny. But exactly, you would have taken longer then.

And that is a bit of a secret of PTs. ” But we just started, like you know, you guys were such a nice… ” We always had this weird, probably for like a year, we had this dynamic where your guys would say hi. And we were always just knackered with like, pants, high back. And then within, there was a cafe nearby and then we all started knowing each other from… Totally. And I remember I met you and we were chatting one day and I was telling you that I was about to open my own gym. And you were like, “Tell me about this gym.

” And I was explaining, I’m like, it like astroturf and monkey bars and you got out your phone and you go you know who I love following this group and you showed me Jim Jones salvation and Bobby Maximus and I was like who are these people I was like I love these people I started reading the captions and I was like yeah this is what I’m aligned with this is cool and I still remember one of the quotes that I’t remember it by heart, but I actually wrote it down that we looked at that day. And I want to start off this podcast with it because it’s something that I’ve thought about a lot since then.

And you did say that you have a different quote every day. – I wish I was someone that could, I wish I was someone that, yeah, if you’d have loved me read a quote book before this, I would sound like a genius. – You’d have like 16, but that’s all the questions. Just tell me all the quotes you know. But this is a really cool one. So this is our friend Bobby Maximus. So if you want it, you have to work for it. You have to suffer for it. You have to give everything for it. And that’s really a really interesting quote that I remember because if you look at Jim Jones, that’s basically there.

It’s their mantra. And you know, I love that. I wasn’t aware of that particular quote, but if I did have any sort of like in the fitness world, any sort of mantra or quote to live by, I mean, it would be, I guess it would be along those principles. Now admiring those principles and living by them are two very different things. But I suppose it starts, you have to start by first admiring the principle. But Totally. – But there’s an old saying which I really like, which is the secret to doing more chin ups is do more chin ups, which is like a real basic one.

– But it’s the truth in your life. – So much of the feelings industry and so much of everyone’s life is like people decide on a goal, they decide that they’d like to do something and then then your brain tricks you into thinking it’s times better spent by sitting back and conserving energy and waiting for shortcut or waiting for waiting to learn a crafty way to get there but they’re really you know the secret to doing my chances you just got to do more chin ups and then if you want to be able to do 10 chin ups like you have to spend months being able to do one totally and.

And you have to spend months being able to do two. And I think, again, it’s so many areas in life. You realize you’re treading water, hoping for an easier way. And that quote’s great because it’s essentially saying, there’s good news and bad news. The good news is, whatever it is, you can have it. The bad news is, there’s a price. Yep, you you gotta work for it. – And sometimes, and if you’re willing to pay that price, you’ll pay that price. – Yep. – And I think sometimes like in our ultimate fantasies of our futures, we are happy to accept the good news.

And when we hear the bad news, which is like, if you wanna be the best actor in Hollywood, you have to go there and be poor and not party and be hungry and be weird and suck up and play a game and be political and not see your family and not see your friends. When they were here at that price, they’re like, “Yeah, but so you’re back to getting a Academy Award. ” Totally, without the work. Which is really interesting because one of the things I actually wanted to talk to you about was your work ethic. Because I think that a lot of people think that everything has kind of fallen into your lap and it’s just kind of evolved from there.

– Which I would never push back too hard on. I suppose, only because I’d be wary of ever discounting the element of luck, certainly in our career. But luck is such a funny thing to study because I do think there is a lot to be said for making your own luck. You certainly buy more tickets in the lottery, the harder you work. You could win off one, for sure. But you increase your chances. The harder you work, the more tickets you get. And so I think it’s been a combination of, but between the lottery you still have to win.

The balls still have to fall your way. And especially in our careers, we’ve been exceptionally grateful to have those balls fall our way. So it’s a bit of a 50/50. I think, like, you know, career-wise finding, I mean, it’s one of those things to really, like, if you look at our kind of radio and our television career with me and Andy, in hindsight, you look back on it and it seemed like there was a plan. But I think you, if you talk to a lot of people, especially getting into your mid-30s, you begin to realize that not all of your life is in front of you anymore.

You’re not you know old but Like it’s a different mindset than when you’re 20 and you kind of like I’ll sort this out later because all my life my adult life so ahead of me I think it’s it’s that it’s the funny thing of like it the fallacy that looks like it was deliberate, but when you ask people a lot of the time it was just a combination of a best guess and hope. So just best guessing, hard work and hoping. And sometimes it works and sometimes it didn’t. I would say one of the big elements of luck is just meeting someone like Andy in the first place that we kind of really connected and we were able to build a career together because on top of being great mates, like we just, the power of being in the team, the power of being in a duo, what it stopped was more instances than would have happened without it where we just sat and were consumed by negative thoughts and kind of were jammed.

By having someone else there, and for a lot of people this is their partner or whatever, but for anyone I career wise it was each other. Having someone else there just kind of almost make a game of like, “Let’s try something, let’s do something,” rather than thinking about it. You know, I personally was probably a hundred times more likely to do things because there was a conversation about we were doing it together. Then if I’d have just been left to my own devices, I know I would have, a lot of times, you know, sadly, I’m not proud of it, but I know I would have a lot of times just sat there and thought about it rather than doing something.

So think that thing that we were together and we’re a little bit competitive to kind of help. And you’re with a mate, and maybe it’s a guy thing to be, you don’t wanna show, you don’t wanna be the one to the other guy so you know I mean this is weird because we’re just doing that comedy but in a way you just push each other forward and keep doing it and it and it and it and you realize in the end it wasn’t about having a plan it was just about moving exactly and that’s what I was just thinking then is for this last year I’ve created a new business for myself and it’s I really loved it and a few years ago when we did meet in that cafe my plan was to own a gym for the rest of my life I thought that’s what I was gonna do and I thought I had everything laid out and what I’ve realized in the last year is things shift daily so my attention gets taken daily in different directions and what I’m doing today is very different to what I expected 12 months ago and so while I didn’t have a plan I think this kind of similar to you.

I’ve had an attitude and I’ve had a work ethic applied. And that’s what you… ” And I feel completely satisfied. And I think that would be, I don’t think that would be a great feeling. And I think it can ever exist for someone because the closer you get to, if you, you know, not to be confused, we don’t have goals, but I think you realize that the further you go on, the like, but the momentum is the fun part. Not ticking off boxes that you held for a long time. Not ticking off ideals and checklists that you built five years ago.

Sometimes you do tick off a box from five years ago and that can be super satisfying. But, you know, I suppose what I’m saying is that it’s not at all costs achieve that goal because you’ll miss out. – I’m the process. – The actual fun of life is that it’s building that momentum and day to day, realizing that the goalposts have shifted and seeing how you can adapt. – That’s awesome, that’s so interesting. Something I really wanted to talk to you about today was the transferability of training, like your work ethic in terms of fitness and training, and then that into your life.

And you basically just answered that completely without even knowing I was gonna ask you that. But I think the reason I brought Jim Jones up at the start is because that’s what it’s based on. The whole idea that the work that you’re doing training is transferable to rest your life and just confidence. And I think that a lot of people don’t realize what an actual weapon you are in terms of fitness and you’re going to talk with you down here. – The only thing I reckon I’ve ever found, the satisfying thing I found in exercise is just I, I can’t, I mean, I just, for some reason, I’ve got that thing in my brain where I just enjoy the discipline.

– Yeah. – Or I’ve, maybe it’s taken me a long time to get there too, but once I, you know, I was probably, I was like a lot heavier a couple of years ago. If it’s technically fat, although, could be the clearest, a little bit bit jiggly. I remember when you did that London Olympics pick the non-Olympian thing. Yeah. I feel like that was the turning point. Yeah. That should go on pretty good there. Yeah. But it was great. But it was, you know, like we just, like a lot of people that kind of go into that transformation, there was an arbitrary goal, which was like do a tough matter with some guys.

Yes. Yep. Which in my hand I thought was going to be intense but it just wasn’t, I mean I’m not talking, I’m not trying to be a superhero here but you just roll through the day and it’s actually fun. – Totally, everyone just lifted me over things. – Yeah, I was back in the fun time. – But before we did it we were like this is like an SIS selection course. But it was good because it scared me into getting fit, into getting fit. And what, I don’t know, for me personally, it was just, it’s, it’s, I’ve got a thing in my brain where I can, I don’t mind suffering.

I enjoy, I enjoy this, I enjoy suffering and I enjoy pain. It’s meditative, like no matter what the activity is, you can get to, if you get to a point where all you’re thinking about is Sometimes your next breath. I just I just enjoy saying like I’m not great anything. I’m not a lead athlete like I can’t lift a lot I can’t run At all I’m a terrible swimmer You know, but I just enjoy I’ve just got a part of me that enjoys getting to that point We think you’re gonna quit and just that, like right on that knife, it’s like right on that between night and day.

Like if you imagine the moon with I think they call it the terminator like right on that point between doing something and not doing something like how do you cope in that like tiny fraction there? I’m just interested by it. And what do you choose? And what do you choose? Who are you in that moment? And I think you can change who you are in that moment if you go to that place a lot. And that’s because I reckon when I was younger, I was a bit of a wuss in that moment. And that’s all right because that’s the human instinct.

Like when you’re in pain, like people stop doing things. But as you, I mean, as I think as you kind of like go on and take no matter what you’re doing, like whatever it is, like lifting like whatever it is like lifting or running or skiing skiing or kettlebells or rowing or whatever it is like the the more time you Spend in that zone. I think there’s just a lot of things you realize, you know, you just it’s a cut like you just never there I’m really interested in anything in life that kind of takes you to a place where you’re not there normally.

Yeah. Which I know I’ve just rephrased people saying step out your comfort zone. So I’m not, this is not revolutionary in any sense, but it’s like finding a thing where you can hang there for a while and see who you are because then talking about transferability, sometimes in life you find yourself, you know, suddenly in a situation where you’re not used to things happening and you just, if you’ve got a bit of a muscle memory for being in that space, it can be less daunting. I suppose is the reason people do it. Or maybe that’s part of the reason why I’m a little bit interested in that.

In who you become when you’re, you know, right on the edge of complete exhaustion. – Totally. – And I think, I remember watching a duffel once about, you know, training guys, like picking guys for the SAS. And the thing that… They just make them do a tough job. I can do it without a drink you’re in. But I remember them going like, we can’t really, without shooting live rounds at people. You can’t really simulate that, you know, that that world but the best but like a pretty good approximation is just exhausting people and to see who they become yeah, because everyone can interview well like you can be a great you can interview well and you can like hit all the requirements you can lift lots you can chin up you’ve a lot chin-ups Which is great and certainly a requirement that that thing is that I was always interested to go like these these are the most like there’s not really too many more extreme conditions in the world where you are gonna die if you don’t do the right thing so if that’s always interesting to me that notion is like right at exhaustion like that’s who you really are yeah but I also think that you can change it you can train it a bit better you can adapt it because I like thinking back like years ago maybe, right of exhaustion, I think it’s normal for people when they’re in that zone to get scared the first few times.

I believe you can change who you are in that zone. So in some ways it’s kind of revealing your true character. But in other ways I think it’s not a totally malleable true character if you do it often enough over time. from uni and stuff and I thought I just decided you and Andy were my friends. (laughing) And I would just laugh my head off at you guys and I thought you were just the coolest and you had the greatest life I’d ever seen and you know, just, I thought you were amazing and then I got to know you and I saw you in training when I used to train you and I couldn’t believe your resilience and I couldn’t believe in that point.

I found you quite difficult to train because I couldn’t take you anything. You were already there. ” And I found it really interesting to observe you though, because you would get then kind of observing your career since then I realized that that’s what you’ve done in your career as well’s you’ve made those those hard moves and yeah things have come to you and you have described it as luck but you have been there for things to come to you and you have you know taken action on them and I think that that’s what’s really interesting and I think that that’s what makes you such a cool role model because yeah you’ve chosen this no it’s true well I mean I think a lot of the mentality comes from going, you know, like, at the end of the day, nothing’s really that bad.

Unless you’re actually, you know, by yourself and you thought you could bench press 300 kilos and it’s chugging you up. You definitely never die. Like there’s nothing that’s, you know, like, so that thing of like, if you’re just, you know, if you’re riding a bike and you just, you just got jelly legs and you, you’re pouring with sweat and you can’t breathe, like that thing of going, you know, you just see what happens if you go a little bit further. And the same with, like nothing’s terrible is going to happen. You’re just going to be a bit more exhausted.

And the, you know, same with the career thing, like, we’re probably one of the best things that happened to us early on in our career and maybe this is true for all careers is we like went hand on I with 22 and 23 we got sort of hoisted out of nowhere. We didn’t really know what was going on. We knew you can say no to this kind of stuff but we were like made part of a show on channel seven and then that later it was a sketch show at the time and they didn’t really know what they were making and we we didn’t know how odd this was at the time we were just like I guess this is what happens like when you get into TV so arrogant like yeah we were like yeah we expected this to happen yeah but we were sort of thrust into the show and then it became it was called Hamish Annie because they’re like we’re just gonna call it you guys but you with this ensemble cast and.

We name it after you. You know, and it all happened super quick and we were, like in the space of six months, we’re going from community TV to now, I’m trying to understand like the way commercial television works and we’re doing publicity and we’re talking to people, we just didn’t know what to say because we didn’t know what this show was. But we also were like, well, we won’t stop this ride. But we’re giant, like we felt like giant frauds being there. – Yeah. ” But we’re giant. We feel like giant frauds being there.

But at the same time, we knew that this has any shot of work and we have to believe in it. We have to really have a crack. But it was destined to fail. So we went through that experience of going, “Well, regardless of how you’ve got here, you have to put everything into this. You have to put aside your worry that the timing wasn’t right because it’s happening, so you’ve got to do it. So we put everything into it again, so lucky we were doing it with a mate because it meant, rather than coming home at night and staring at the ceiling and crying.

– And no one else getting it. – You just had a bit of gallows humor about it. It taught us pretty early on to go, this is a comedy show on TV, it’s not the end of the world. But at the same time, it’s an early age to get, I suppose everyone’s used to this on social media now, but this was pre-social media. It’s an early age to get shredded in newspaper reviews and for people to be a bit butt of a joke and for people to kind of bag out and have bad the show was. And you’re only a few years out of high school, so you still kind of got your teenage sensitiveness about you.

And it stings to you, it seems like everyone in the world’s reading it. And then you just sort of grab and go. At the very least, it taught me in those moments to go, all right, if you’re feeling this way, if you’re feeling like we were crushed and we were hurt by it, but not, we knew it wasn’t devastating and we knew the world would get over it. And we had each other to laugh about it at the time. So we’re going through this thing that’s meant to be, that if you listen to that voice in your head, this is career-ending and devastating.

And all the words that your voice in the head wants to throw at you, it taught us I think at least have the presence of mind to go, all right, well just, you know, if you wanna wallow in it, wallow in it, but remember that this is how you felt like it was the end of the world and come back in a year and see how you are. And a voice has got that memory of that time to go, you know, certainly if there was one or two days there that if you ask me how are things, I would have said terrible. Like this is what’s happening.

And then I think it just taught us in our world where, especially in our industry, everyone’s obsessed about what all people think, what’s the media going to think. Our answer, like with Ando and I, and this kind of flies in the face of a lot of eye rolls and people maybe think we’re being a bit flippant with the people we work with. But as it is, I don’t think people give it. No one gives a shit really. Today people will pretend to give a shit because something will have a vested interest in pretending like they give a shit.

But none of this, like if this, you know, without going to sound again, like I love doing our job and, but the stakes wise, like if this goes, whatever we’re working on, if this goes phenomenally But terribly doesn’t really matter. Yeah, and I think it taught us that a young age like we got kind of a bit burn It just taught us to not hang on to because we do live in a really we work in a very superficial industry It’s just taught us to not care about the superficiality of the industry I think it taught us to go the and we often and I’m obsessed, and I’m obsessed a bit with this, like I’m a bit obsessed with memories.

Short-term and long-term. But I’m a bit obsessed by going, when I’m 60, like what will I remember about this year? What will I care about this year? Because, you know, when I’m dying, I don’t think we’ll care about the ratings that week. I don’t think we’ll care about Tweaking the sponsor line. I do think we’ll care about the fun we all had together in our careers. So it’s that, again, I suppose training that fine line between being flippant. Like, it’s not like we don’t care about problems, but also just keeping an perspective.

Totally. And I think it’s really interesting that I’m going to use a quote. That Mayor Angelou quote is, people don’t remember what you say, people don’t remember what you did, but people always remember how you made them feel. And I think that that’s kind of like what you’re saying. And I think it’s really interesting that at 22 then, so were you on the radio then? Yes, like, like nine. We managed to sort of, for a while there,, we managed to convince TV that we were the next big thing in radio and we managed to convince radio when the next big thing did.

” And I’m like, “Great, they fell for it it. You’re so strategic. You need to be on some other side. I hope so. We just kind of landed this gig. And the other crazy. So I remember at the time, again, because I loved radio and we really would always sort of dream of being on radio. The crazy thing for us was we felt like, oh my God, we’ve been given this slot. There must be hundreds of people trying to get this slot. Then we’re going to do a random street like sort of that thing of like slamming the door behind us To keep the hoarder out and we peek through the door and there’s no one like we It was a funny feeling that we thought we were on competition against those people and then you sort of got into this industry and we’re like why isn’t anyone doing this?

Yeah, yeah, and I a large part is, you know, I’ve said to people in this sector, and I don’t mean this to be a jerk. – No. ” And I have offensive to people like, I mean, not a lot of people say that, but, you know, I’ve had an experience where I’ve said to people, well, you well you know like do you know the only thing stopping you and I from having radio shows is I asked to have one. Totally. And I don’t mean I’m not being condescending to this but I’m like that’s the only difference. No one like don’t come around and go like here’s a special form that we’re like four of and you’re the only people that are allowed to try and get on radio.

But then again without what I’m not deliberately trying to be a hero and be kind of saying to the people that have ever thought that. But it comes back to thinking of going, you can have what you want but there’s a price. Like, our price for being on radio, whilst it’s the best fun job in the world, it’s like, “All right, well, it’s all-consuming. ” And for those first few years, especially in our 20s, we were on the radio show, we made- we didn’t even make a pact. We just wanted to do so much and we were so excited by the job.

And we wanted- we had such a- like he said before, like, not an idea, specifically what we wanted to do do We had a real idea of how we wanted our show to feel and how we wanted people to feel having come in contact with our show That a lot of our ideas that fed into that notion of how we wanted our show to feel required 100% time commitment So it was perfect for guys that either were single at varying times or had girlfriends to didn’t live with us. Like we didn’t have mortgages, we didn’t have kids. We were just like lone wolves when we were in our 20s.

” It’s a lot lower difference. It’s a much different game when you’re older and all the people we were against kind of had kids and things anchoring them to their lives and so we, that was wicked fun but it was a cost. Like there was thousands of nights out, you weren’t with friends because you’d done something else or whatever or there’s family functions you missed. Again, maybe just some people were hearing that they go very small cost and probably, you know, sure, like the returns we’ve had a dream career but it’s still kind of cancelled there was personal sacrifices you made along the way and and and you expose yourself if this is the kind of thing you care about you make that choice to be a public figure completely so you you do lose your anonymity and you do, you learn to deal with the fact that people rightly so feel like they have some sort of ownership over you can’t walk down the street and expect to be just a man in the crowd.

And again, just, I’m not saying that’s a bad thing. That’s just a reality. – And it’s part of the cost. – Part of the cost. – And it’s really interesting because I think– – Which I don’t disagree with, by the way. I’ll make that clear because, and my personal policy is like for people that, you know, sometimes people want photos and they want to say hi. It’s awesome. And not only, I mean, even if I didn’t enjoy it, I would still want to make those people, I’d want to make that experience pleasant for them. I do happen to enjoy it.

Like I really like, nothing gives me more joy than people that have watched our shows or listened to the radio show ’cause it’s a really special feeling to feel like you’ve got that community. But again, even if I didn’t feel like that, I personally believe like ethically you owe it to those people. Like they’ve paid, even with a radio show, like people have paid literally hundreds of hours of their time for you to have that job. They’ve really super amnibilitically, they’re a customer. And you owe it to that person.

– And I’ve witnessed you do this, even in the middle of a workout. ” Like that’s so nice that he’s saying hello. ” And I remember, without, it’s a hard thing to say without sounding a little bit arrogant But I remember when I was a kid and I’ve had you know if I see someone I’m a fan of yeah, it’s it’s great and I don’t think that I you know I don’t think personally it should be exciting to say me because other with me all the time I don’t think it convince someone that they shouldn’t be a fan. ” And it gives you a buzz.

I’m like, “Well, I don’t agree with the fact that I have this power to give someone a buzz. But since I do have it, it’s so easy. Like, why would you not give someone a buzz? – Completely. I got recognized from the podcast in the day from my voice. – Give me a buzz. – In that cafe patch, where it happens. – Why, it’s the best thing in the world to be able to give someone a buzz. – Oh my god, I was so excited. So I can’t believe I just brought that up. I’m really embarrassed. It’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it’s a happy, but it can make someone happy by waving, you know.

– I think a girl must be like a little tough. – Yeah. Who do you look up to? Who would you get a buzz, saying in the straight? Training in the gym, doing dead lifts. – Training, I was about to say Bill Murray. – Oh yeah? – And I think I’m gonna run into Bill Murray doing Timmy dead lifts. I’m running an odd bracing patch. – Have you met him yet? – I did, we met him really on our careers and he was awesome. He’s in that category of people who you just, it’s a gamble meeting them if they’re not great. It’ll break your heart.

Tom Hanks was another one in a career. ” And he was the best guy in the world. – Oh, this is the best. ” No offense, real dad, you understand? He was just the greatest guy. – That’s the best. And what about, so I don’t know if everybody out there knows what a huge survivor fan you are. We’ve spent many, many hours talking about survivor, obsessed, self-proced. – Jf Rob’s. – That was a great. I guess we spent half an hour chatting to him once. – Oh, because I think I listened to it. Someone sent it to me. Maybe you had it on your show.

– Yeah, Andy doesn’t care about survival. So let me put it on the show. So you’re half hour separate podcast for the show. – Because yeah, someone sent me a link to it. Oh my God, I love him so much. Just a great you know, they’re Fascinating like so many aspects of getting to talk to Jeff Brodz are fascinating. He’s a I think he’s an extremely intelligent guy, but he’s also at a front row seat To a really I think like one of the most fascinating psychological games of our time Oh my god. It’s the greatest because it’s the thing that survivor is every season it has to change because it’s a function of the last season.

– Totally. – So it’s just never the same. And there’s new people on. – Yeah. – And so for anyone interested in humans. – Yes. – You know, that’s why I think. – Totally, my sociology degree, I’m like, why didn’t they just please a survivor to us? – Every different society. – This is it, it’s the best show in the whole world. – I also believe it can only really be made with Americans because they just need to be made for television. – Definitely, yeah, definitely in the Australian season everyone was a bit nice and a bit hurt when people kind of like Backstab them and I’m like that’s what you’re here for yeah, and then Americans have no we just I mean it’s probably just an absence of tall poppy.

Yeah, yeah, there’s no there’s no worry that your methodology will be seen by your friends. But in Australia there is always that concern. We don’t want our friends to see how comfortable we can be. We don’t want to be self promoting in any way. Whereas in America it’s self promoting. If you’re not self promoting, what’s wrong with you? Like get out. Exactly. That’s so interesting. Just a little while ago you talked about basically I wanted to ask you what challenges or what mistakes you’ve made or if you’d go back and change anything because I think that one of the main reasons people don’t take action I think it was interesting how you said it’s not like they’re giving out slips of paper who wants a radio show I think the main reason people don’t take action is because they’re afraid of failure but anybody who has failed in some, oh, I learned everything from that.

Like it was fine. But how at 22 did you pick yourself up and keep going? – Being part of the group definitely helped. But I think, and there are areas in my life where I’ve probably tried things personally or individually that I probably maybe should have stuck it and I didn’t, you know, I’m definitely vulnerable to, you know, taking failure too hard. I think being part of it really helped kind of force a bit of momentum out of it. Because yeah, I mean, just like everyone after a phase, you tempted to sit back and you’re in shock a little bit, like you’re getting given a real whack.

And it’s that, and this is sometimes like, I think training is a good example of it too. You don’t, you just can’t physically see how are going to work out. But sometimes in an exercise environment too, it’s just about doing the next bit. Just do the next bit. Even though, if your arms are sore, you’re losing to whatever you’re doing, if you’re like, well, this is no way, a Nova Rode 2K is an images workout. And I’m already sore now. So I’m just not going to like, I’ll quit. But you know, I assume people who have seen this podcast have some sort of loose interest in the psychology of training.

But it is, I mean, we’ve all been those situations where if you can ignore that fact, you just do the next bit, you are often amazed at what follows like about. And I think career wise that was being in a group helped us just keep stumbling forward. We had no real idea. We just kept trying. And it was looking back at various things that turned into huge. Like, it breaks, but if we didn’t keep doing something, it would have sputtered out and failed. And I reckon there was definitely been times where personally I had an idea or I just let it sit as a word document for too long.

I just didn’t keep doing it. Like it sputtered out and failed. – Yep. – And it, I think personally a big help has been being in a group environment where you just make each other a bit more accountable. – Totally. – I’ve still got miles to go until I could say I could personally be, I could personally wake up, run my day and be accountable for myself in a way that I’d be impressed by. Because I’m a very gentle coach. – As a manager, I cut myself a lot of slack. I’m also my favourite star member. – I remember school they made us they were trying to encourage from year nine or something independent learning.

I was like independent learning leagues I get to do whatever I want. I don’t think it’s so funny. I would just not study. Being out of method to it. Unfortunately, I’ve just always just always, my brain has always, and it’s like laziness, always gravitated towards an environment where, you know, it’s like rather than play the whole basketball game, you get an option between play the whole basketball game, do everything right, like, you know, pass, dribble, execute tons of tiny moments properly. I’m like, that’s a more honorable way to go.

Like, that refers to this when you’re training on it. There’s a part of my head that’s like, or, or just get one half-quit shot in. – Yeah. – And if you get it, you win the game. – At the end of the game when you one point down. – Like, you just pick it, like, or you’ve got it, you can like play basketball and you probably win ’cause you won’t have to do it or just get a half-quit shot. ” Because what if you get it? – Do it. And then if you go for enough half-quachure, it’s guess what? – And I just, I kind of hate that I have that mentality.

– Yeah, totally. – I’m like, what if instead of having to do thousands of little things right in the right order? What if I could just do one awesome thing? – See what happens. – Cos they try to tell my brain that’s not the way the world works. I feel like you’ve done pretty well. So whatever methodology you’re using, it’s kind of going well. What does my brain likes those shots? Well, what I think that people don’t realize is it doesn’t like to be successful. You don’t need to struggle every day. Like if something takes like hard, horrible, like, you know, non-rewarding work, maybe you’re pushing the wrong.

– For me, and I would, it’s just, for me it comes into fun. Like having fun doing this. – Yeah. – ‘Cause yeah, there’d be long days and stuff in our world, but definitely always fun. – Yep. – Always fun. And shitty days and like, days where everyone’s sure with each other. And in our world, it kind of sucks because hard work isn’t the answer sometimes. Like with a radio show, if you’re trying to think of stuff or a radio show or a TV show, if you’re in a count and being in the office for 10 more hours, you’ll do more work.

But if you’re in a TV trying to think of an idea, being in the office for 10 or hours does not guarantee you a funny idea. It will guarantee you some ideas and it will definitely guarantee you that everyone’s trying to convince themselves these are good ideas. But it won’t guarantee you an actual good idea. And that’s the hard thing about working in a kind of a half creative, half slog work world where the creative bits the spark like in you know they come from different places to different people but then once you have that idea usually there’s like one spark and the rest here’s a survivor analogy is coconut husk and fanning and getting ball sticks and working on it totally yes totally don’t know when that sparks yeah how it will come and that’s just a hold that’s on the question.

So it’s usually the most Energy sapping area you like depleted you feel is just before that spark. Yeah Because you just like what if we never get a spark totally will be here fan like throwing sticks and fanning totally something that’s not a lot. Yeah, yeah You can have the most amazing structure out of those sticks and – You have the best fan in the world. If you don’t have a spark, you don’t have a fire. – If you don’t watch “Survivor”. – If you don’t watch “Survivor”, I’m assuming you still know about fire. – If you don’t watch “Survivor”, I’m assuming you still know about fire.

– If you don’t have a fire, you still know about fire, I’m impressed. – Totally. So what would you say has been the most challenging thing like each day like it’s or you know over the long haul what’s been what have you found challenging in my line of work it would be Learning to be comfortable in your own skin learning learning And I think this is probably a little bit analogous to a lot of different paths of life. It’s starting out going, you look at the people that you idolise or even parts of the people you idolise and you’re like, man, they must have it figured out.

Those guys are, you know, they give anything to be at that level with them having a sort of, and the more you do it, the more you realise it, everyone’s full of insecurity, everyone’s racked with doubt, everyone’s scared of the same things you just get of and is guessing as much as you’re guessing. But it just seems like they got it all happening. And I think that being comfortable with that, that’s over time you stop having to put up that facade of, you know, feeling like you have to pretend like you know what you’re doing all the time.

And then I think I don’t think there’s a shortcut to that either. Going back to the quote that started this off. I don’t think there’s a way a 16 year old is gonna go uncomfortable like a 40 year old. – Totally. – Because it just takes time. It takes, you know, you can waste time, but it takes time to go through enough experience to realize that. ” So the first few moments that you maybe weren’t even thinking about what you should be doing, and you just did something naturally, and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn’t but sometimes it’s like okay if I’m natural I’m always funny but the first time you did something that was really natural and it and it and it got that response and in the comedy well those were the pivotal moments when I was like we begin to realize you can just do this you can just be yourself and your path won’t look like anyone else’s.

It might come knowing they’re stacking up to your heroes but you begin to just value a bit more than at least it will be your path. Completely and that’s where people connect with you once you’re you. Especially in our job which is we are on radio like it’s a conversation and it’s our shows of community so it kind of is about connection. But I think even if you’re a builder and you’re like, what am I really want to get out of this? I think it’s that same notion of at the end of the day going, you’re learning just like, I just appreciate my path because it’s my path more than I worry worry about what it looks like in person.

Totally. But it took time for me, definitely. Because it was a sensitive, insecure kid. It’s so good hearing that from you because I think that a lot of people listening will think that you’ve got it all together and you never feel like that. So it’s really cool that you do. – I don’t think anyone, no one does. – Yeah. – Like no one, I just, I mean, I genuinely don’t think, if you can think of someone to be like, they’ve got it together, they don’t know what they’re doing. I bet you they don’t. – Yeah. – But you just feel like there’s no other way.

Like if you wait for when you do have it all together, you just die with a stopwatch in your hand. – Totally. – Just waiting. – Yeah. – I mean, I remember, I think many times, we’re lucky enough in our jobs to kind of come in contact with people who you would think again because they either hold high office or they’ve done something incredible, but they knew what they were doing. They prepared, they put the work in, and then they just kinda leapt and they hoped it worked. – It’s the best. – I mean, I remember, I don’t think, I don’t think I’m talking at a school, we were breaking it laws, but it’s been a while since Wayne Swan was the treasurer of Australia.

But we found out as a dinner at some sort of charity dinner, and were nearing and it was, so this would have been put, but let’s say it was about 2009. So the global financial crisis hit and Wayne’s one was a treasure when we had that idea. Remember everyone got like 1200 bucks? – Yes. – Were you in New York for the gap year that year? Was that the year? – Yeah, in mind it been. – Because I think I came to your show that yeah, this was before we knew each other, but I’m pretty sure I got the money while I was over saying.

– Everyone’s just coming from back to everyone. – Yeah, yeah. – So there was $30 billion that the government just gave everyone to buy couches and TVs and the fridges. ” ‘Cause it, you know, widely was how does it success? ” And so he said to me, like, “What was the, like, “Did you know it was gonna work? ” – Yeah, did you have some sort of a formula? – Yeah, like, what bit did they teach you if you’re ever running the government and things get a bit shaky, give everyone 30 billion dollars. ” Like, we hoped it would, and like, you know, the rationale seemed there.

But essentially, they were shitting themselves. So these are the guys running in country. – Completely. – Again, they’re all qualified. They’re all, on paper, it looks like they should work. But no guarantee. No one’s ever done this before. – Anything, yeah. – And it was moments like that, we’re like, no one knows. – No one knows. – Everyone’s having a crack. – Yep. – They’re not sitting there going, they’re not reading the paper going well this work going look at these idiots in the newspaper. Yeah, we know where the government.

Yeah, no one knows Which which kind of makes sense when you think about it is if you if you did know how do you know? Yeah, if you’re doing something that’s never been done before yeah, you know it’s going to be just have a go. Yeah I’m saying something I ask everyone say that if the people are doing something that’s never been done before, Eddie knows what it is. – Sure. – But you just have a go. – Yeah. (laughs) – So something I ask everyone that’s on the podcast is what do you feel is your purpose in life? – Great question.

I mean, enjoying the transition, I mean, especially since having Sunny and my little boy, all my wife had a bit of, I hang it with you. – Yeah, you were there. – I’m really enjoying that transition from, and not almost, I’m not 100% sure what my purpose is in life yet, but I’m enjoying that transition and beginning to have that feeling in myself, probably as a dad from going, I reckon for a lot of my life, it was me. It was quite self-serving, a lot of the things we did, even though it’s comedy is ideal, ultimately to provide humour.

But again, it’s like there’s, let’s not get too carried over how altruistic being a comedian is. But I mean, I’ve begun to have that sort of slight shifting going, like, rather than trying to be somebody or like, you know, in the public world, that shift of going, all right, well, what do you do? Like, you know, like the difference between being and doing a little bit. And the, that, and I think it’s come from Sunny to just go like, well, what, like, what it’s great to be, you know, famous and have a radio show, but like further than that, like what’s the next, what’s the next sort of, what is the purpose to.

So at the moment, I would say, like, I think, I think if, if, if I had to weigh up to weigh up, what can I do talent wise? I would say I do think it’s got something to do with having fun and commenting. And I do think it’s a worthwhile thing. I do get so much joy and satisfaction of doing a radio show and doing TV shows and I do get the most rewarding thing personally is people that you would never otherwise meet giving you that feedback of when they listen to the show. And there’d be so many beautiful examples that, for the sake of privacy I wouldn’t be too specific, but people that go through dark times, you never expect that it’s your show that is helping that.

And you know what? If my contribution to the world is just helping it, some people have a better day. I think there’s a lot worse things you can do. I mean, enjoy the fact that whatever it is I end up doing, if it can contribute to people having a better day, I’ll be happy with that as a purpose. However that takes shape over the next 50 years. Yeah, that’s awesome. Well, I can I can promise you that you’ve made so many of my days better. And I’m so connie. I’m trying not to be connie, but as a fan turned friend, I would say.

Yeah, there was so many days where and it’s funny because I was thinking last night, I couldn’t remember many of your like actual like jokes or skits or anything that I can remember how I felt like it. I can remember like that like deep laughing like that actual pure joy laughing from you guys. Thank you, man. That’s really lovely. ‘t, and I’ve felt this, like I’ve gone and seen, you know, comedians, I think, they’re the funniest people in the world. ” And you’re lucky if you can remember a joke. – Yeah. – But you know your face hurt for an hour.

– Completely. – So it’s like– – George is marvelous medicine. – George is marvelous. – With a crazy soup, you can’t name one ingredient. – Yeah. – But you know that that was a good taste. – It tastes good. Exactly. Oh my God, I think that’s such a great place to finish. You know that I would sit here and talk to you all day, but you have many things to do. – Well, you’re an active one. – Thank you. I know I’m an active one always. Thank you so much, you’re the best. – Thanks, guys. – And thank you everyone so much for listening.

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