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We’d love for you to join us for the hybrid athlete, Epic 3-Day Level 1 and Level 2 coaches certification courses. au. (upbeat music) – Hello and welcome to this week’s episode of the Your Revolution podcast. My name is Jane Erbacher and I’m your host. I’m beyond excited. I’m actually really hot and sweaty as I was excited, but I am so excited and extremely nervous because I’m sitting next to one of my heroes. I feel like I’ve just met an awkward situation way more awkward. I’m so excited because I’m sitting next to one of my heroes.

I feel like I’ve just met an awkward situation, way more awkward. I’m so excited because I’m sitting next to Lee Castle Dine. I just started second guessing myself then. I’m like, what if I pronounce this thing? Famous from Prickett and Survivor and pretty much being the hottest healthy dad who is out there. – Not that I’m not that bad. – Yeah, sorry, I was a huge, huge, huge fan of yours post your cricket career ’cause I apologize but I know nothing about cricket. – That’s good. – Absolutely, that’s true. – That’s a good thing.

– But I saw you on survivor and I thought this is someone who I wanna be friends with. So before I introduce you, I did wanna say thank you so much for being on the podcast I know how busy you are these days and I really really really really appreciate you giving up your time and I know that I’ve been a little bit annoying trying to book you in because I live in Brisbane and I have this thing where I like to do podcast face-to-face so I’m really sorry if it has been a hassle at all. Not at all. The people will love you so thank you so much..

But basically the purpose of our podcast, the Revolution podcast, is to inspire people to make changes they need in their life in order to make their life better. So every week it’s either just me talking solo about things like taking action, getting out of your comfort zone, resilience, perseverance, engagement, or basically I talk to someone who’s overcome or experienced or created or achieved something that I think is extraordinary. And you obviously fall into that category. Because not only have you played cricket at a top level but you’ve started your own business and you’ve been an amazing dad to two kids and most recently you’ve been on my favourite TV show, Survivor.

And anybody who knows anything about Survivor knows that it’s way out of anyone’s comfort zone. So what really drew me to you and what really made me want to talk to you was that it wasn’t just that you participated in survivor and you survived it but it was the attitude and integrity with how you played the game and it really inspired me to research you and find out more about you and from there I actually started to realise that you’re an incredible role model. So I feel like you’re extremely strong and resilient and a lot of the people that we have on the podcast, I talk to them about physical strength and resilience.

But you had the integrity to stay aligned with your personal values throughout the game. And that showed me that the resilience and strength you have isn’t just physical, it’s mental and emotional as well and so what I was really left wondering was how can I find out more about you and I thought well why not ask you directly so today I want to know so the intention of the podcast today is I want to know what drives you how are you so resilient how have you bounced back even higher after the setbacks that you’ve had and and how can we apply this to our lives?

So that’s the intention of the podcast. So I’d like to really formally welcome you to the podcast. I looked on your website and I saw that your little description of you isn’t one thing, it’s lots of things. So I’m gonna use that. You’re an athlete, you’re a businessman, you’re a media personality, and most of all, you’re’re a healthy dad and I’m so grateful that you’re a part of the podcast. What an intro. I know you can just carry me around I’ll just pop out and be like everybody Lee Castle died. Yeah, happy to do the podcast.

Thank you so much Really look. I mean it’s been a crazy crazy ride since survivors finished and I had no idea I think that I suppose the reception I was gonna get about that and I almost cried. I thought you were a sure like I thought you were a sure that’s the beauty of the game. I had some people there in the jury who didn’t want to see me win and that was fine and they wanted to to hand it over to Christie. But I think as I said, I was just taking it back as to the support that I had sort of coming off the aisle and back home.

It’s led to a couple of really good opportunities and just having fun with it it all really and seeing where it all goes I didn’t go in there with any intention to have a career and media or anything like that I just thought you know let’s just do this for a really good personal challenge and then see what happens when I get when I got off it. And I think the really cool thing about it and I promise everybody I’m not just going to talk about survivor I do quite survive really with on this podcast so people do know I like it but I think what’s really drawn everybody to you since this is because the way you played the game is transferable to your life like you didn’t go in there and say it’s a game I’m going to treat people badly you went in there and you said these are my values I’m going to treat people with respect and I’m going to see where that takes me and it it’s taken you so much further than the game because it was in a really authentic way as well it wasn’t in in a way that you were putting it on.

I mean, you couldn’t put it on. I mean, I also got voted off the first couple of days or something. You’re out there for so long, you know, and I couldn’t put on anything else. ” And I think part of the reason why I got casted was the fact that I said, “Hey, this is me. I’m going to go in there. I’m going to try and bring what I’ve learned in the sporting world into Survivor,” which is probably rubs against everything that is against Survivor in a sense that that ends our spirit, loyalty, mateship, having your teammates back and things like that.

So the things that I learned in sport, I was going to bring on to survivor and they just sort of thought, oh, who’s this guy? Who’s in for a rude shot? – Let’s watch him in place. – So that was, and I think that’s probably what got me on. Obviously it was a new show. They wanted to cast a lot of super fans who had watched 30 odd seasons in America, but they also wanted to cast people like myself and like Elle and also Sam who had watched a little bit of Survivor, but wanted to bring that Australian version and make it their own.

We did quite well out of it. As I said, we made our way to pretty much Sam, Elle and herself all the way to the end. So yeah, was I couldn’t go in there at my age sort of trying to be anyone else other than myself. And if I did, I would have got found out pretty quickly. Totally. Because I’m a bad sort of liar. I could probably live for a little while on that island. But yeah, after a while, I would have my true colors of a shine through and I just would have been myself anyway. So I think yourself is someone you should always want to be because you’re pretty cool.

Yeah, they sort of they remind you before you go onto the island as to why they cast you. So if I sort of got scared just before I went in I thought, “I can’t play this being truthful. What am I doing? ” They reminded me right before when youing me right before and you realise why we’re casting you now. You’re casting you because of who you are and the values that you bring. And let’s see you try and get as far as you possibly can. So whether or not I got voted off a week or you know, then you got voted off at all, which I didn’t.

You know, that was how I wanted to play the game. And I suppose the longer the game went on, the harder it was to go against those values. I sort of dug the heels in and I said, “No, no, no, no. I have to play it this way. ” And there was even to the point where it got to a last view and I could have turned on a couple of people, but I just couldn’t. Just sort of dug my heels in. I’ve come this far. I would have let myself down if I sort of went against my values and how I wanted to play the game. So people sitting back home, they probably would have thought if they watched it, why didn’t they do that?

When you’re out there, it is survivor-like and it is that you’re, it’s a microcosm of your life and you’re actually living it and you think that’s life and death out there. It’s weird, it’s hard people to sit back and think, ” it’s just the game, it’s the game, but when you’re out there, those relationships with people are real. – Totally. – They are, well they are. – When you feel like you’re getting voted off, you’re feeling like you’re basically, you’re getting voted off life, you know, you know what I mean? So you take it pretty personally when something happens against you.

– Amazing, okay I’ve got so many things I want to ask you, but I do want to kick off. Kick off. With your favourite quote. Do you have a favourite quote? I do. So what is your favourite quote? I’ve got, I read a lot and then there’s a lot of motivational quotes out there, but I think there was, I read a lot of books to my boys and I’ve broughs over the last few years. I’ve read a lot of Doctor Zeus books and I love his books and there’s, I read a lot of books and my boys and I’ve read a lot of doctors’ books and I love these books and I put a few up on Instagram but I like this one.

” So I don’t know, I just like that because it’s for me it’s all about reading, it’s all about knowledge, it’s all about self-improvement, it’s all about education and sort of, and as I said, the more that you’ll learn the more places you’ll go and I’ve been quite fortunate not only after a sporting point of view but outside of that to travel around the world and the more, and it’s a bit of a snowball effect, the more that you travel and the more things that you know, the more places you’ll go. It’s so true. It’s so true because it opens you up to more ideas and people.

Yeah. And more opportunities as well. Amazing. What lucky boys they are. Yeah. It’s awesome. Yeah. No, they’re really lucky. It’s funny sitting here with you. You’re even more like a bull in person. You really are. You’re very engaging. It’s really nice. So I want to start off with a little bit of a, we’ve had a bit of a chat kind of in the middle of your life of survivor, but I kind of want to know what happened before that. So who are you? – Yeah, I suppose there’s a little bit of a story and that’s sort of come out through survivor, the fact that I played professional sport for a living and look in hindsight, was probably a semi-successful career.

I played for Queensland in the state but never reached the lofty heights of playing for Australia. But I had a pretty big incident in the middle of my career which sort of knocked me about a fair bit. I was about 27 years of age. I was playing for Queensland and doing okay, not setting the world on fire. and I had a major back injury that meant that it was pretty much the end of my career and look at as a sports person the age of 27 you’re supposed to be at your peak. Yeah you’re supposed to be you know hitting your peak and and and it was an operation that pretty much ended my career and the doctor said that before that so I knew it was the end of my career but not only that they said that this was an operation that you needed to have so that you had quality of life afterwards so I was always active, always healthy and I wanted to make sure that if I had kids that I was going to maintain a healthy lifestyle so it was a big decision I knew that my contract was going to get ripped up I knew that was the end of my career but I had to take it and I had the operation and that was semi-successful and that went okay but another incident that happened down in Melbourne I contracted Septicemia down there through one of your hospitals down there in Melbourne.

I’m so sorry. A bit of sabotage going on but I contracted that and that really knocked me about to the point where it nearly took my life and that was a really really dark place where everything sort of my whole world. So that was just after your back surgery? Probably a few months after the back surgery. Oh my god. Had this my wife at the time was pregnant. Missed out on my best mates wedding or my mate’s wedding I was best mates at. Obviously contract was when new my contract wasn’t going to so my world was caving in.

I I just I suppose border house was doing a massive renovation so I didn’t know where my next Dollar was coming from and I and I sort of fell into that trap of being a quintessential sports person who didn’t sort of have a plan B So yeah, I was in a really dark place mentally and as well as physically because you know I didn’t know whether I was going to walk again properly or get full health back. So that was a really massive moment in my life and like anything it was a hard time and I was in a really really dark place.

I never went to seek help I probably should have and I tried to work my way through it myself and I was quite lucky in a sense that I got through that and my back came good and I made a comeback and that comeback was at the ripe old age of 30 where most sports people were sort of washed up and I played for another four or five years of Queensland and went on to travel and play a few domestic T20 competitions in India and Bangladesh and that part of my life was amazing but there’s a lot of elements as to why that was and my a I had more balance in my life as well.

I had kids, I had studied in that time that I had offered completed a double masters as well. So I knew that the game of cricket was just a game. Before that it was everything to me. There was no balance. Amazing. I don’t usually interrupt. I try not to anyway, but I have so many things that I have to ask you right now. How on earth did you come back from that? Because I know dealing with people like ordinary everyday people who get an injury, the how much work it takes to get them back just in the gym. But your entire identity was wrapped up in your physicality.

So in what you could do on the cricket field, that was Lee. And that was it. And everything was attached to that. Everything came from that. And so that’s taken away from you. How do you then years later, get back to a really top level physically and then in career as well? – Now I think you’re right. My identity was fully, it was all about cricket and that was probably the downfall of my career when I first started it. I have no doubt that the injuries were brought upon myself from a mental point of view, but also from a physical point of view.

So that probably exacerbated it even more to the fact that I didn’t have anything else other than cricket. So my identity was cricket and I wanted to be known as a cricket and that’s a sport, a professional sport. That’s all I wanted to be known as nothing else. And so that, out of that obviously came a massive crash. So getting through that, I try to apply sort of what I applied with coming back from injuries in general in sport. So I knew that the rehab process was going to be long. So from a physical point of view I knew that I could be disciplined with that.

What really I needed to improve was my mental side of things. So I just went out there and tried. I think when you’re open to try and find new ways of learning, I think things will come to you and appear in your life from a great believer in that. And it was funny because reading books like, even books like The Secret, The Power of Now, the science of giving rich, which is a great book, which actually was derived from, which came from, that the secret was derived from that actually. It was a book by Wallace, Wallace Waddles back in the 1930s and the title doesn’t give a justice.

But all that reading about staying in the present moment, and being grateful for everything in your life, even though you’re in a massive hole in the thinking, I don’t know if I’m going to walk again,” that really helped me get through those really bad moments that you get through. Because what happens is your mind takes you to weird, weird places. ” So for me, it’s those small little sort of things that I learned along the way and that then coming back from that obviously I have my physical side of things but I was so much stronger mentally and then I just went out there and had fun and played great for the love of it.

That’s why I started and then I had a you know my numbers if you haven’t even had a number of numbers in terms of from a statistical point of view that was twice as. And I have no doubt that that came about through all those little experiences all the way. – Yeah, you’re mindset. And what did you study in that time as well? – I studied an MBA and a Masters of Applied Finance. – Oh my God. – I don’t know how. I think I never did an undergrad because again, when I said my identity was cricket was, I finished school and I just traveled the world playing cricket.

That’s all I to do so I got I did enough to get through school and then when I came to study I thought I don’t have time I was 27 I don’t have time to do a four-year undergrad What do I do? I got my play a welfare manager to wheel me into the University up here in Queensland QUT got blessed some and I said I want to do an MBA and they looked at me going well what for you have a football and so they they gave me a little they they gave me excepted me I studied really hard and then out of that I’ve decided to do a massive playoff finance which was really really challenging but I got through it so yeah it was just applying the same principles to totally out of a company zone for somebody who’s never studied or To go straight into an MBA.

I thought well, okay, it’s it’s about discipline It’s about sort of sticking to the task at hand and then getting into that routine and that’s exactly what it did I just applied I suppose what the principles that I learned in sport to study Yeah, and then once you get into that role, you know exactly what you need to study for, you know, you know how to plan. There’s no different from playing sport. So yeah, and that kept me busy while I was out of the game for those three years. So that kept me focused as well as working as well.

– That is so interesting because we talk about that a lot on the podcast is about the application of what you learn in sport or training to the rest of your life and how it’s all the same things. And we talk a lot about setbacks in people’s life. I generally like to focus a lot of our conversation on that because it’s, I use the term setback, but it really is the opportunity to grow even stronger than you were before. And that’s exactly what happened to you. Like you could have taken the injury as being career ending.

You could have taken all the lessons that you were learning from that as step away, it’s over, I’m done, or you could take them and go, you know what, what can I actually create in this period of time to make me even better? And I look back and people go, oh look that injury you probably would have played for Australia or whatever great career I said, well maybe, maybe not also because my balance was out of line anyway, so this was was a huge and I’m a real slow learner too. So when it comes to Change for me it comes at massive moments in my life whether it be back injury the breakup of my marriage Things like that as to I really really learn a lot.

Yeah, I try and take moments out of things that really You know when I’m in a bad place to go right, how can I learn to get out of this? – Yeah, what’s this lesson here, yeah. – That’s this lesson. So, you know, that’s, you know, then I look and I go, well, look at the opportunities that have come and the person I am now from this major injury, you know, and, you know, the fact that I studied, you know, I got a double masters, I probably wouldn’t have got accepted on Survivor. – Yeah, we would never have met I’d be probably working in some corporate job because I would have retired and I would have just sort of slotted straight into a corporate job and would be sapping my soul.

So it’s one of those, yes, it’s a sliding doors moment. But I have no doubt that that was a sliding doors moment for a reason. reason. I absolutely love that. I love hearing people making the most out of challenges. It was Oprah that once said, I’m going to go by quote-unquote. Quality over here. She once said how messages come to you first is like a little tap on the shoulder and then a little slap in the face and then hit by a bus type thing and I guess what you just said about change it has to be a big moment for you for you to realize that change is required.

I’m getting better I’m getting better when there’s a tap on the shoulder and I need to change but still it’s a slap in the face. It’s not even a slap it’s a sledgehammer. – Yes, yeah. – It’s for me to go here. Come on, yourself in line. – Yeah. – That’s an ongoing thing. – Yeah. – It’s something that you never say, right? I’ve got out of that, I’ve learned that. – Totally. – That’s what I want to have for you. – I will never do that again. – Yeah. – Yeah, so for me, I’m getting better at sort of going right. I tap on the shoulder and then sort of right, okay, how do we improve from this?

– Yeah, I love it. And I think it’s so interesting and people are gonna take so much from this this conversation. I do want to know exactly how you’re working with people now to share this kind of message. But what I want to say about that is it’s like so many people they get injured and they go, “Oh, that really sucks. ” And it’s like you went, “Okay, well, I could have gone and paid for Australia potentially. That that’s not going to happen now how can I make my life so amazing from this and and I want people to listen to this and I want people to hear it that it’s like things can go wrong in your life like your marriage can fail and that’s something you never hoped for you never wanted that to happen but it’s like okay well what lesson can you take from that and what lesson can you take from an injury and it’s and actually?

Apply it absolutely yeah, and then all these little moments along in my life post that injury That has made me become I suppose the person today. Yeah, it’s made me giving me the ability to even you know share the story that I know sort of self deprecating enough I keep thinking no one really wants to hear my story But there’s more and more people who want to hear it and I suppose I’m happy to share that. As I said, I think what probably resonates with people is the fact that I’m not this sports person who’s played 100 test matches, who has this huge identity.

I’ve sort of scrap my way through and played, yes, professional sport, I made a living out of it but my challenges now is I’m a dad, I’ve got a business to run, trying to stay fit and healthy. So I’m like every other painter out there so people can sort of resonate with that a little bit. – Totally, and you’re not indestructible like you’re striving to be indestructible. – I’m not going to be indestructible. – But that’s when people can actually connect with you and then learn from your experience. Whereas if you were Wolverine, even though we all wish you were.

But yeah, we can go and it’s like, this is why your message can actually get out there. So what have you done? Okay, so you’ve done your double masters and then you apply to survivor. Is that? Yeah, I came out of retirement and I really wanted to stick to that healthy lifestyle and I knew that also from a career point of view that I was going to be in and out of a few different jobs and I was aware of that because I had retired before. I was the second time around I was more prepared for it but I wanted to make sure from a health and fitness point of view I put so much value on that that I did.

I did things every year. There was a challenge every year that I set myself and it could be it could have been anything but I set myself like a triathlon for a couple of years. I did a marathon and then did Kekoda in 2015. So I set myself these challenges and yeah there’s obviously small challenges in amongst that but then last year the opportunity for the survivor came up and I thought that would be cool though. That looks like a physical challenge and a mental challenge and I thought that’s it. They normally keep aside a couple of spots for washed up sporty.

I’m an Abercrax so I’m you know, high school softball career. Exactly. And I was really forced. I had no idea as to how popular, you know, the applications were and people wanted to get on. And, you know, it was just, even I’d tell people, you know, the 24 contestants out there just to get on there. Yeah. It was a huge thing. Oh, huge. I applied. And it’s a big deal. We could have been team members. Besties, yeah. We could have had a formal line. I hope it wasn’t too much of a physical threat for you. Yeah, in this game fire represents your life exactly.

You still alive. I’m still alive. I don’t know. They’ve still probably didn’t wear it somewhere. Hopefully it’s not a lot. Hopefully the whole warehouse is going to go down. So it’s been, I was always open to doing different things. I didn’t want to be sort of pigeonhole post-creader go just and stay in the sporting scene. I still am involved in our player union, the ACA which is our Australian Quakers Association. So I was staying involved in Quiggy but I didn’t want to go back into a traditional admin role or coaching role.

I wanted to get out there. I thought, you know what, there’s a world out there and there’s something out there for me. I’ll just be open to it and see what comes along my way. I’ve had a few different careers and I’ve had a lot of different experiences and everyone. Some have been bad, some have been amazing. So yeah, I’ll just keep going and… What are you doing now? Physically or for work? So workways, I’ve got a drone business, which is going really well. The industry is quite new and there’s a lot of new technology.

So it’s a bit of a challenge with the business because you’ve got to adapt. You might have a great business idea or a next-year-night piece of legislation comes in or the market changes so quickly. So you have to adapt to the times which is really interesting because what was great three months ago isn’t great now. And then physically a challenge this year is to I’m training for a sort of a celebrity boxing match. So really never been in a ring before before this year. That’s why you have to go to these boxing cards with videos.

So for me a massive challenge of never been scrapped in my life. Never been in a backyard fight or a school yard fight and never been in a room. So apart from doing the odd boxing, you know, hitting pads and stuff like that. So I thought, no, there’s a few opportunities come up so I’m in there boxing inspiring and that’s been a huge challenge like you know the fear of actually getting hit so the challenge this year is that which is a big one and I thought I can run away from this for my spot I can run away from this for my spot I can run away from this spot I can run away from this spot I can run away from this spot I can run away from this spot I can run away from this spot I can run away from this spot I can run away from this spot I can run away from this spot I can run away from this spot I can run away from this spot I can run away from this spot I can run away from this spot I can run away from this spot I can run away from this spot I can run away from this spot I can run away from this spot I can run away from this spot I can run away from this spot I can run away from this spot I can run away from this spot I can run away from this spot I can run away from this spot I can run away from this spot I can run away from this spot I can run away from this spot I can run away from this spot I can run away from this spot I can run away from this spot I can run away from this spot I can run away from this spot I can run away from this spot I can run away from this spot I can run away from this spot I can run away from this spot I can run away from this spot I can run away from this spot I can run away from this spot I can run away from this spot I can run away from this spot I can run away from this spot I can run away from this spot I can run away from this spot I can run away from this spot I can run away from this spot I can run away from this spot I can run away from this spot I can run away from this spot I can run away from this spot I can run away from this spot I can run away from this spot I can run away from this spot I start I just ran around the ring I thought if I can run I can run away from this for my sparring appointment for three minutes.

I won’t get each time, you know, it’s one thing with boxing it’s like anything to actually improve in the ring I have to get hit and I’ll come out of there thinking what is that felt bad and then I’ll go back and have a look at the footage and I just see slow improvements every day and it’s not like you know training for running where you know that your times are better and then you might be a bit stiffer than to train for boxing you have to get punched. Oh my god, I know a lot. And the downstairs is a lot slower. Better grades, it’s fun.

For some I’m finding it weird’m enjoying it. – Yeah, ’cause it’s a physical challenge, it’s an out of your comfort zone, which leads me to the question of comfort zone. It’s probably one of my favorite topics in the whole world. Survivor, the most out of your comfort zone you’ve ever been. – Yeah, in every sense of the word physical, mental, emotional, it’s like an assault. I think Nick’s set of, in one of the quotes, he’s great at sort of survivor quotes, an assault on the senses. You can go from that euphoric feeling of winning a challenge to the absolute depths of despair in a matter of minutes or a matter of hours when you come back from winning a challenge to literally sleeping on the ground and kissing down.

You’ve got a rock for a pillow. You close on your back and that’s what you’ve got. And you’re getting use of ironing off two or three hours of sleep and no food. We all know how people get out of a bad night’s sleep and know more world and how cranky people make it. Or if they miss a meal, try that. – For 55 days. – What was the biggest lesson you took from survivor? – I think no matter how bad things may seem at any one point of time, I think things will pass if you want to mean. And never to get too high, and I think I learnt that from sport, never get too high, especially with cricket, and you can bite you in these quite quickly.

If you’re off their show voting that you’re doing really well, it’s a great level. They love showing that on survivor too. It can get the bites from the arse massively. And this is what happens with the vivour. You can go from the high to the low of the lice, but if you stay level and know that either, especially when you’re down and you’re so down,. I had it, even yesterday was a horrible day for me, but I just kept it back in my mind to stay. Stay in the present moment. Tomorrow will be better. And give yourself time to grieve or to be down.

You can’t stay up forever. You can’t stay up. Physically, those people who stay up forever, I know they’re gonna blow gas. Totally. Yeah, that’s a good time. Yeah, we’re actually gonna combust and explore something. So give yourself time to be down. Whether that’s an hour, half an hour, five minutes, if it’s something massive, give yourself a week, give yourself a couple of days. But as soon as that time is to give yourself that time, get back into it and get going. So that’s really important stuff. – And learn from it.

– Yeah, that’s exactly right, I always think that as well. I was like, you’ve got to feel, perhaps, some days. And the thing that getting out of your comfort zone and I’m gonna use the term failing, it’s the wrong word, but seeing that you’re not indestructible maybe shows that you can actually do anything. Having that feeling that low and coming out of it Stronger means that you’re like wow I actually I got through that like and it was so far out of my comfort zone I did it I can pretty much do anything now and a lot of the times you play it up in your head that a lot of things are gonna be a lot worse than they are and then when you actually do it you know that wasn’t actually that bad yeah, or sometimes they might be worse than what you think but you just know that with every failure, it’s a real corny.

There’s corny quotes out there. There is a step to success, but it is because the only thing is if you learn from it, if you don’t learn from it, and it is a failure, if you say, right, that was horrible. What did I do wrong? What did I do right? And then you know that if you don’t repeat that process you’re you’re getting slowly but surely closer to your end goal Exactly. Yeah, you’re raising it So I want to know if I want to work with you in some capacity if I want to he’s big if I want I just I just want to work with you.

How do I do it? It’s a bit of a strange one where I’m out there sort of talking to different businesses and I’m trying to at the moment I’m doing some guest speaking for a lot of corporations, a lot of companies that sort of want to talk about resilience and sort of how to, how my story can sort of help people in everyday life because I’m sort of doing it with them as well. I’ve got my own business. ” If you follow these five steps, you’re going to be hugely successful. I don’t have those five steps. I don’t have those five steps.

But it’s just to show people that I’m actually with them. I’m in the same boat as them. And I’m out there sort of talking to schools, even sporting organisations. So it’s all over the place at the moment. But yeah, people just get in touch with me, I’m sort of anti-social media accounts and I’m happy to get out there and chat and talk to just exactly like I am today about how I overcame and people can sort of resonate with that and sort of get something out of it. Yeah. Yeah. Because it’s a really important message that you have and it’s made more important by your post, like your attitude to it all.

Like it’s not just that you’ve been an elite sportsman. It’s not just that you’ve been on Survivor. It’s how you’ve dealt with that and what you’ve built from it. and that’s what people want to learn from. I Exactly and who knows if you would have become a little bit more complacent if you’d won. If I won I’d probably be more complacent. I probably wouldn’t be in a country or would have been in the island somewhere. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. And I probably wouldn’t be working and out of that I thought right over. Well, I knew that I wasn’t going to win.

After that I know there was time in which I found out that I had won. There was probably a few months. But I knew from that post that that final trauma council that I got absolutely smashed. So I knew that right now let’s go out there. Let’s check some opportunities. Let’s open the door up and see what comes my way. What an amazing attitude you have. It’s awesome. Okay, final question, favorite question. Do you feel like you have a purpose in your life? and if you do, what do you think it is? Selfish sort of thing how good was I and you know what I actually brought to the game in terms of entertaining people on a small scale, but I think that the more and more Challenges that I go through and the struggles that I go through that in life And I’m sure there’s gonna be plenty more that I can just help share people you know share that with people and hopefully they can get something out of it as I said I’ll probably get a little bit more Cleaner with regards to my story and I might come up with a point point plan.

I’m trying to go against that at the moment. Stay how you are. Keep it, keep it, keep it, keep it, keep it, yeah. No you’re an amazing man and I’m so grateful that you’ve been a part of this. Thank you so much. Thank you. au or you can find him on Instagram @leacarsildine. Thank you so much for listening. We look forward to hearing from you.