A good reminder of what we’re all capable of with a little passion and action.
I am just so excited to bring you Episode 61 of the Your Revolution Podcast. This week’s episode featured Hayden Quinn. What drew me to Hayden was his energy and his zest for life. He’s passionate, excitable, and he’s one of those people that we can all learn something from. I actually came across Hayden a few years ago when I was setting up my gym, and I found his gym on YouTube. His gym is called The Cube, and it’s in Brookvale, in Sidney. I absolutely loved the training style. I loved the energy that came from their gym. I loved their community. I really loved how the entire operation was set up.
What I learned when I started to follow The Cube was that a whole bunch of guys had actually created it, started it, and Hayden was one of them. When I looked into who Hayden actually was, I realised that he’d been on Master Chef a few years earlier, and since then he’d gone on to write books, he’d created TV shows. He had actually even won the CLEO Bachelor of the Year. He’s definitely one of those people who has changed the whole foodie scene in Australia. What I really loved about Hayden was that he’s so natural. He’s fun, his approach to life is balanced, and while he’s really into health and fitness, he realises that life is really here to be enjoyed as well.
The other thing that really drew me to Hayden was that Master Chef was just the first step. While it was the initial vehicle he needed, what he’s gone on to achieve since then has far and away surpassed the opportunity that Master Chef presented. It really got me thinking about our attitude to fame and success. We think that once we’re there, once we get the chance, then everything will be as we want and life will be perfect. Often that’s just the first bit. Once you get success, you’ve got a whole new challenge to sustain it. Hayden isn’t a success today because of Master Chef. Hayden is a success because he chooses to be every day. He works and sometimes he even struggles, but none of it has been handed to him. It’s his attitude and work ethic that keeps him climbing.
What I want for this podcast today is for you to realise that his story isn’t a fairytale of luck. It’s a story showing us that we can do anything we want. We don’t need to wait for perfect conditions to start. We just have to start. Once we start, that’s when the magic really begins. The process of our life is our life, and the longer you put everything on hold because the conditions aren’t perfect, the further away your life gets. With that being said, I hope you enjoy today’s episode with Hayden as much as I enjoyed recording it for you. Thanks for listening.
Hello and welcome to this week’s episode of the Your Revolution Podcast. My name is Jane Erbacher, and I’m your host. I’m so excited. I’m so, so, so excited because I’m sitting here with Hayden Quinn. Hi, Hayden.
Hayden Quinn: Hey, guys. Hello, Jane.
Jane Erbacher: Hi. I’m really excited. I’m up in Manly. I think I’ve said I’m excited now four times. I have been following you, Hayden, for many, many years. I think that you’re amazing, and I’m really excited because not only am I actually meeting you now, but I get to find out all your secrets pretty much, how you’ve become who you are. I’m really excited for that because there is so much to you. It’s not just Master Chef. Something that really has drawn me to you is that Master Chef was kind of your intro to everybody, but what you’ve done since then is pretty incredible.
Hayden Quinn: Definitely. Master Chef was the explosion, and then I think it was just the launchpad for me to be able to do all the things that I’ve always wanted to do. Master Chef was an incredible opportunity. For me, food is probably my number one thing. Then that just was a chance for me to explore a world that I really loved and learn. It was a learning adventure. That’s what it really was for me; it was an adventure. I went on there because I wanted to have fun. I wanted to meet some new people and just get amongst it.
A lot of people go on those realities shows for completely different reasons. They want to be on the TV. They want to have their five seconds of fame, or they’re escaping a job they hate, or they’re trying to lose weight, or whatever it was. I just went on there to have an incredible time and make the most of it. That’s what sort of happened. Then that opened all the doors. Opening doors, it doesn’t just open. You’ve got to work hard to open doors. That opened a lot of doors and enabled me to do a lot of incredible things, which is cool.
Jane Erbacher: I like that you’ve actually just used that term, opening doors, as well because that’s why I want to talk to you. I think that we are under this impression that you just need to open doors, and then the work is done. I think what you’ve done through opening doors–I’m going to keep going on opening doors–is you’ve maintained them being open but you’ve created more opportunities. I think that, while Master Chef was your initial vehicle to do that, you’ve been the driver ever since then. You’ve taken it from strength to strength.
Something that I really focus on with this podcast, the Your Revolution Podcast, the whole idea is to inspire change in people. Every week it’s either somebody who has created an extraordinary life for themselves or it’s me just talking to myself pretty much about those kinds of things. I think that you fit perfectly into this because you’re only … Are you 29?
Hayden Quinn: 30 now.
Jane Erbacher: 30. Oh, happy birthday.
Hayden Quinn: The three-zero, yeah. I don’t feel old. I feel like I’m still 21, but yeah I’m 30 now.
Jane Erbacher: Yeah, and you’ve done so much stuff. I think that there’s so much to learn from somebody like you, and so I’m really, really, really excited to be talking to you. Just to kick off, I want to know who was Hayden Quinn pre-Master Chef, and has he changed that much?
Hayden Quinn: I’ve definitely changed a lot. Me as a person, the Hayden Quinn who you see on the television is the same bloke you saw when I was lifeguarding on the beach for nine years, and the same guy that was at university studying marine biology. For me, I think the Hayden Quinn now is a lot more stressed, a lot more anxious, a lot more under the pump as compared to the Hayden Quinn eight years ago that was working for [inaudible 00:09:43] Council Beach Service as section leader. Had a great job, spent like two days in the office, three days on the beach. Had a car, all that good stuff. I was sitting pretty, and everything was amazing.
A little bit of stress there, but the Hayden Quinn now has a lot more. I think when you start achieving goals, you start putting more pressure on yourself to go bigger and better and try and get through that glass ceiling. I had to learn very quickly, I say very quickly but it’s probably taken me–and I’m still learning–about seven years to understand the stress and the pressure that you get put on by yourself. It’s got nothing to do with anyone else, but expectations of “I should be doing this, my TV show should have a second series, I should have a second cookbook, I should have opened another gym, [inaudible 00:10:32] should be in China and the US one should be selling this.” It was all these things. It’s self-talk.
The Hayden Quinn before that was relaxed and chilled and sitting back. I’m still definitely that person. I’m that person when I’m in the moment and I’m doing something I love, whether it be cooking, training, running, riding, outside, with friends, with family. That’s for me the driver, is getting back to who I am. That’s what people love, and that’s what people fell in love with. That’s what I love about myself. It’s getting away from this. We’re in my little office studio space at the moment. It’s getting away from this and the emails and getting back into that stuff that I love.
Jane Erbacher: That’s awesome. Do you think that you were this driven then?
Hayden Quinn: Yeah, definitely. I was definitely always a very driven person. When I finished high school, I took a year off. I lifeguarded over in the US, made some amazing friends. Have been back to the US every year since 2005 to visit. Then after that sort of gap year, the classic Aussie gap year-
Jane Erbacher: Mine became four gaps years.
Hayden Quinn: Four-year gap year?
Jane Erbacher: I was like, “I can’t.”
Hayden Quinn: Four-year gap year is good. Just like my little sister. She’s had like an eight-year gap year.
Jane Erbacher: Some of us take longer. We need a bit longer.
Hayden Quinn: I think it’s a good thing. After that I went to university and I studied a Bachelor of Science in Marine Biology. I remember there was a point in that degree where I was studying chemistry or mathematics or something, statistics, something that was not me. That’s not my world. I came home and lost it. I was still living with Mom and Dad. I was like, “I can’t do this! No! I’m not doing it!” Like full breakdown. Dad, he’s a carpenter. “I’m going to do an apprenticeship with you. I’m slacking off this university stuff. No, no, no.” Mom and Dad talked me through it. I talked myself through it. I was like, “I’m going to do it. I’m going to get through it. Peas get degrees. I passed my chemistry exam, and I got through. I ended up graduating with a distinction average.
Jane Erbacher: That’s awesome.
Hayden Quinn: It was one of those things. I’ve always been very driven. I’ve always wanted to succeed. Back then I was doing this science degree in Marine Biology, and I was like, “I don’t know what the fuck I’m going to do with this. I just love the ocean.”
Jane Erbacher: I was thinking of Seinfeld as well.
Hayden Quinn: Yeah, exactly. People say that all the time.
Jane Erbacher: I know. I didn’t know anything about marine biology until George told his date. “I love the ocean.”
Hayden Quinn: I was like, “I don’t know what sort of job I’m going to get. I just love the ocean. I’m interested in bio. I can get into the cause. Who knows what’s going to happen?”
Jane Erbacher: Totally.
Hayden Quinn: I did that, and there were a number of opportunities to come off the back of that, with masters and PhDs and all sorts of stuff. I was like, “No. Travel, lifeguard.” Sort of then just did that for about five years. Ended up finishing as the Beach Services section leader with [Maringa 00:13:25] Council, which was amazing. Beautiful part of the world where we live right here.
Jane Erbacher: I was like, where is Maringa Council? I’m in Maringa Council right now.
Hayden Quinn: It’s weird. It’s all changed hands now. You’re in Northern Beaches Council. [inaudible 00:13:37] Council is from Freshwater Beach to North [inaudible 00:13:39].
Jane Erbacher: Yep, okay.
Hayden Quinn: We had a very nice stretch of beaches there. Did that, and then the Master Chef opportunity came up. Even lifeguarding, lifeguarding is one of those jobs. It’s great because you can work seven months and you travel five months.
Jane Erbacher: It’s the best.
Hayden Quinn: There’s a lot of people that go, “When are you going to get a real job? When are you going to get a real job?” It’s like, “Man, I get paid to look after people, make sure people are safe, sit in the sun, be outside all day. I travel five months a year. It’s pretty real.”
Jane Erbacher: I would love to know this definitely of this real job. Does a real job have to be something you hate? Is that what a “real job” is?”
Hayden Quinn: Yeah, I think that’s what people think.
Jane Erbacher: How dare you like it?
Hayden Quinn: I’ve always been searching for this real job. I’ve never had a real job.
Jane Erbacher: Me neither. One of my friends actually talked to me on the phone today about the corporate life. He’s like, “You wouldn’t get it because you’ve never done it.” He wasn’t trying to be rude or anything. I was like, “And I never will.” I will never work a job that I hate as well.
Hayden Quinn: I just came from a shoot now with Andy Allen, who was Master Chef as well. He’s one of the partners in [inaudible 00:14:50] now. They’re in Rosebery. He’s like, “Bro, this is the first time I’ve gone to the same place for work for the longest consecutive amount in my life, but I love it. It’s great.” It’s still not a real job, but yeah, it’s interesting. So I did that. Even through the lifeguarding process, there is a bit of a level where you can hit, and it’s not much options after that. I sort of got to the point where I was one of the supervisors, and that was sort of where we were at.
Then the Master Chef thing came on, and I took six weeks leave thinking, “I’ll have a crack, and it’ll be all over.” Being a competitive little bastard and someone that likes to learn and is interested and wants to get in there and give it 100% percent, the Master Chef thing basically just didn’t stop.
Jane Erbacher: That’s awesome. What happened straight after that, then?
Hayden Quinn: You finish filming, and then the TV series goes on for another three months after you finish filming. You sort of don’t see the start of it. Then you see the end of it. Then all the different things start happening. Basically I just worked my ass off and did as much as I could in the world of food and lifestyle and whatnot, and tried to be myself. At the same time I was still lifeguarding because I didn’t have any money. I didn’t work for six months. I was in the Master Chef house for six months. I was still lifeguarding, still trying to do as much as I could to pay the bills and keep rolling. The old bubble, you didn’t know when it was going to burst or if there was going to be an opportunity.
Yeah, heaps of different opportunities came. A lot more than what people see or hear of or know of. There’s so many things. One thing I always tell people is that, for what I’ve done, it’s not about the things you say yes to. It’s about the things you say no to that define who you are as a person. I could have KFC come to me and say, “Hayden, here’s a million bucks. We want you to create a new burger, a zinger burger.” You could be like, “Yeah, sweet. Thanks for the million. I’m going to go put a house deposit on.” That’s it, and you lose out.
Jane Erbacher: I love it.
Hayden Quinn: Yeah. That’s not my role, but the thing for me is just the passion and sharing food and travel and lifestyle and just a little bit of me, I guess. That’s always what I’ve done.
Jane Erbacher: It’s really funny because everything you’ve said is exactly what drew me to you, in that you’re so yourself. That’s what people like. They want to see somebody who is that. Even just sitting here and how you’re talking about it, it’s so casual, and it’s so good. What I like that you said there is that you’re not going to say yes to something that goes against your core values, and you’re aligned with that. It would have been so much easier for you to actually do that. You’re exactly right. You’re in this stress kind of bubble of “what if I don’t say yes to this, does that mean that everything is going to go away?”
Everybody is so willing to settle for something that goes against what their core is, just to survive, basically. They think if they say no, then everybody’s going to leave them alone and forget about them. You’re a really great example of that not being the case. I want to know, something I like to ask people a lot … We’ll get onto your gym in a second by the way because I absolutely love that place.
Hayden Quinn: That’s all right. That’s a whole other beast.
Jane Erbacher: That’s how I discovered you, is via The Cube. I want to know what the non-negotiables are with your life. What are kind of your core values that you won’t sacrifice?
Hayden Quinn: Gosh, that’s tricky. Well, it’s not tricky, but it is tricky. These are things that I have sacrificed to learn that I need to not sacrifice them. I think that’s the only way you figure it out. For me, the main one would be family and friends. When you travel a lot like I do and you spend a lot of time away and a lot of time with other people and a lot of time talking all day, it’s valuing the time then when you get home to actually engage with the people that really love you, instead of sitting down and talking crap to god knows who for however long. Yeah, family and friends is probably top of the list.
Selfishly and super important for me is health and wellbeing. If I don’t do exercise or don’t get outside every day, I’m pretty angry. Not angry, but I’m pretty not cool.
Jane Erbacher: [crosstalk 00:19:14]
Hayden Quinn: Yeah. It’s like that hangry sort of thing. That’s very much a big thing. Nature is a big thing for me, getting outside in nature. That’s why we have the plants in here. Could have a few more plants.
Jane Erbacher: I actually love this room. It’s got a really nice energy in here.
Hayden Quinn: It’s very bright. It’s even better when the karaoke man starts singing.
Jane Erbacher: There was a lady walking up and down singing to herself before. I was like, “That’s nice. Bit of free entertainment.”
Hayden Quinn: It wasn’t a 14-year-old boy, was it, with a boombox?
Jane Erbacher: No.
Hayden Quinn: Good. [inaudible 00:19:44]. I actually used to have … I don’t know where it’s gone. [inaudible 00:19:52]. I must have cleaned. Next to my desk, next to my laptop, I have a sheet of paper, and it just had values. Every time and email comes in or a request comes in or a job comes in, if it doesn’t tick off those things or if I can’t put those things first, then it’s just a non-negotiable, really easy.
For me, family, nature, friends, health and wellbeing, that’s what I value most in life I think. Obviously health and wellbeing comes under the whole food thing. It’s so funny that I say that and then literally before I got here, I told you I was rushing around. My girlfriend says to me, “That’s the most Aussie snack I’ve ever seen anyone eat.” I’m at home, shoving into my mouth Vegemite toast with a [inaudible 00:20:41].
Jane Erbacher: That is so funny. I wish she had filmed you.
Hayden Quinn: It’s my two favourite things. I was like, “I gotta eat. I’m starving!”
Jane Erbacher: Yes, that’s the best.
Hayden Quinn: I think the value one is always hard. It’s sometimes hard to I guess just explain it. I know exactly what it is, but I don’t know exactly how to say it.
Jane Erbacher: That’s the main thing. A lot of the work that I do with people is teaching them what the foundation is for their life. The foundation is their intentions. What are the most important? I love that you had that sitting next to you.
Hayden Quinn: I don’t know where it’s gone. I’m actually a bit annoyed that it’s not there. I thought it was going to be right there.
Jane Erbacher: No worries. That would have been perfect as well, but it’s okay. You articulated it well.
Hayden Quinn: I think that the other thing, especially for me from a brand point of view, Aaron and I–Aaron who works for me–we have two different documents. One which is like a brand identity document, which is nearly 30 pages long, which is “who is Hayden Quinn, and what is the Hayden Quinn brand?” We can give that to a client, or when we have a new client come in, there’s a checklist that we can look through and make sure that it fits with who we are. I think for brands and for branding and people in business, that sort of stuff is so important.
Jane Erbacher: It’s non-negotiable.
Hayden Quinn: Yeah. You need to have that outline of just who you are. It changes. I update it all the time. Every time I send it out to someone, it gets updated and changed. Things change.
Jane Erbacher: You learn more.
Hayden Quinn: Yeah, you learn more about yourself and who you are.
Jane Erbacher: You learn more. Like what you said about how your values are almost created out of sacrificing them and then realising that you didn’t want to sacrifice them.
Hayden Quinn: Yeah. I have relationships that have broken up, missing friends and family, missing birthdays, missing births, all these things. Some of the reasons for missing certain things are non-negotiable, you have to be where you’ve got to be, but the breaking down of communication with loved ones and friends and family, that’s not on. You need to be able to do that. That’s always been the hardest one with me because a lot of what I do is talking to people all day. Especially if you’re filming something or doing some television or whatever, it’s high energy.
Jane Erbacher: Totally, and you just go home and sometimes you’re just like-
Hayden Quinn: Then you go home and all you want to do is just sit down, shut up, don’t talk to me, don’t talk to me. The other person has just been at work all day or done something and wants to just-
Jane Erbacher: Totally, and they’re so excited to see you.
Hayden Quinn: Yeah. They’re like, “How was your day? What did you do?” You’re like, “Ugh.”
Jane Erbacher: It’s really interesting. I was talking to my sister last night about, and I can say this because my brother doesn’t listen to the podcast. John, I wish you listened to the podcast. We had been talking about how much we want him to start exercising. His reason for not exercising is because he’s too busy. He’s a lawyer, he’s too busy. I was cracking at [crosstalk 00:23:27]-
Hayden Quinn: I never get the too busy thing, no offence.
Jane Erbacher: No, don’t you worry. I lost it because I was like, “No, it’s about priority.” Talking to somebody like you, who is actually–if you want to articulate it in that way–too busy for many things, it comes back to what your priorities are and the intensions you have for your life. It also comes back to the understanding that you’re not as good at being Hayden Quinn when you don’t have those non-negotiables taken care of. I think a lot of people don’t realise that they’re not being the best–sorry to be so Oprah–version of themselves by ignoring these really important parts of their life.
Hayden Quinn: 100%.
Jane Erbacher: Let’s talk about your training. You own a gym with some others.
Hayden Quinn: Yeah, so me, Sam, and Lewis. Sam Whittaker and Lewis McLean. We have an awesome space in Brookvale in Sidney.
Jane Erbacher: I have been a fan of The Cube, as I just said before.
Hayden Quinn: Have you been there yet, since you’ve been here? No, you came up.
Jane Erbacher: Yeah, don’t worry. I’ve been there like 10 times.
Hayden Quinn: I’ve just never been there when you’re there.
Jane Erbacher: I know. I was hoping to just bump into you, and then I realised, “Okay, I’m going to have to actually send the awkward Instagram message.”
Hayden Quinn: It’s all good.
Jane Erbacher: I actually came across the cube when I was opening my own gym, which was 2014. You guys did a video. How long have you been open?
Hayden Quinn: Our story is pretty weird because we started in a backyard. We started in the backyard probably in 2011, 2012. It was Lewis, who’s the general manager and big dog down at the gym and runs everything, him, [inaudible 00:24:59] had a shit-
Jane Erbacher: Sorry, just to be Australian with the [inaudible 00:25:03] and Vegemite, you out-Australianed yourself just then [crosstalk 00:25:06].
Hayden Quinn: [crosstalk 00:25:07]. They had a shared house in [inaudible 00:25:10] with a really big backyard. The boys had always kept fit. We all played footie together. We all went to school together. We’ve known each other since we were seven years old for some of us, longer. We just set up this thing in the backyard with roman rings and chin-up bars and palettes and two different lifting platforms and a garage with weights in it. From there, we had a good crew. Every afternoon, Lewis would right a session on the board, and we’d go through it. We’d do strength and we’d do our conditioning stuff.
Slowly more and more people started showing up. There would be like 12 to 15 guys in the backyard. We’re doing this now it’s end of April coming into May, we get into June, July, it starts getting cold. It starts getting muddy. People drop off and go to their other gyms and do their stuff. We thought one year, we’re like, “Screw this. There’s 10 blokes here, sometimes 15. If we can get each of them to pay $40 a week towards a $400 rent, we’ve got the equipment, we can just get in there. We’ll have to invest some money of our own, but we’ll be able to cover the rent just with the boys. The boys will just be able to cover the rent, and we’ll go for it.”
That’s basically what we did. We just sat down, Sam, Lewis, and myself, and put a bit of a plan together with one of the other boys who’s business-minded, and said, “How much money do we need? Where are we at? What does it look like?” We just went for it. It could have shat itself, but the reason it didn’t was because of the mentality and the love behind it.
Jane Erbacher: The passion.
Hayden Quinn: Yeah, it was community. It was a group of people doing something they love. People talked about it, people did it, and it just brought more and more people in. We grew very quickly from our solid 10 members to 40 members to 80 members. We were surpassing our goals and targets. We got too big for our space, and then we moved a year and a half into our first location. We moved into a new location, and February just gone was three years we’ve been open as the actual business.
Jane Erbacher: That’s awesome.
Hayden Quinn: Which is really cool, yeah.
Jane Erbacher: It’s so cool. I remember this video you guys put on, it must have been on YouTube, of you creating the space and doing your painting and all of your construction work. I watched it, and I was like, “I want our gym to look like that. We are modelling our gym on your gym.” That’s what opened me up to you. I followed you guys so religiously. I could feel the energy from you, just by not even being there. This is something I was really thinking about last night. I went into the class at Crew row studio in the city, and I thought about … I try to train everywhere because I love fitness and I love fitness people and I love the energy and I love all that kind of stuff.
It was so interesting because it reminded me of what I’m drawn to, in fitness. Is it the most amazing programme, is it the most amazing space, or is it the people and the coaching? I think that there’s so much focus these days in the fitness industry on superficiality and things looking good but not having any substance. Everybody just kind of copying each other, rather than just going, exactly what you just said, “There’s 10 guys. We all believe in it. We’re passionate about it.” That’s why it’s been a success. From that, you then have created the most beautiful space and the best programmes. The foundation actually was you guys and what you thought about it. That’s why it’s successful. It’s awesome.
Hayden Quinn: Yeah. We can attribute our success to basically the gym as it is today, with 160, 170 whatever members, massage, physio, [inaudible 00:29:03] physiology, all these little add-ons that make it an incredible thing. It’s still the same as walking down to the backyard. Everyone still high-fives each other. If someone new turns up, it’s like, “Oh hi, how are you going. I’m Hayden. What’s your name?” “This is Jane.” It’s like a real community. I can’t believe it. I don’t know what their girlfriends or their boyfriends think. They come, they’ll sit there for an hour before the session, just hanging out. Just get out of the way, go sit somewhere else. Then hang out for half an hour after the session. Not because they’ve got nothing to do. It’s just because they love it.
Jane Erbacher: That’s where they want to be.
Hayden Quinn: They come and they meet and they talk. The gym has produced girlfriends, boyfriends, babies, business connections.
Jane Erbacher: Lifelong friends.
Hayden Quinn: Yeah, lifelong friends, new ideas, new initiatives. It’s like a little melting pot. It’s a community centre. It’s not just a business. There’s a lot of gyms, you walk in there, and it’s like, “This is what we’re doing. You do this now, and off you go.”
Jane Erbacher: You’re done and you’re done.
Hayden Quinn: Which, some people like that. Some people want to go in, they want to get fresh, they want to get fresh, they want to talk down, and that’s perfectly fine. We’re very open. If you come and do your first session, you get a round of applause, well done. “It’s Jane’s first session. Awesome work! Come back.”
Jane Erbacher: No, I love it. I like that because it’s really gritty training, but it’s a really nice community.
Hayden Quinn: Yeah, exactly.
Jane Erbacher: That’s what I like. I like that blend. I don’t want to go somewhere that’s, A, crap training, but I also don’t want to feel invisible in a space. That’s something that you guys do really well, and I like that. I love that. The whole thing of not having time, I think that you can only make time for something like fitness and health.
Hayden Quinn: Yeah, we sort of miss that thing. I don’t want to get started because there’s a lot of busy people. I understand if you can’t. There’s times where I’m just like, “I can’t physically do it.” I’m either too knackered or I can’t get up any earlier. For me, it’s like, “Get up earlier, stay up later.” Instead of just sitting at your computer when you have your lunch break, watching YouTube. It doesn’t take long. Fucking get changed really quickly, go for a run, do something, 20 minutes, come back, get changed really quickly, eat that shit at your desk, whatever you’re eating, and then you’re done.
Jane Erbacher: It’s so true. I agree with you. It is that simple.
Hayden Quinn: Yeah. It’s going to make you a better lawyer, personal trainer, a better businessman, a better mom, a better dad, whatever.
Jane Erbacher: Yeah, agree. 100% agree. I want to know what you struggle with. What do you find hard? Have you had any setbacks in this?
Hayden Quinn: Oh yeah, definitely. The biggest thing for me is failure, the thought of failure and of not being successful or not ticking the boxes or not jumping over the bar that I set for myself or the bar that I think everyone else has set for me, and not getting over it. The pressure I put on myself. The big one for me has been anxiety and all those things that come with it, like worry and stress. I used to think stress was a made up word. I learned really quickly, when you start having a few businesses and you want to make money, that stress becomes a very real thing.
The hardest thing for me has been managing my stress levels. Most people would see me as the most easygoing, relaxed dude in the world, but behind closed doors, when we’re planning or when we’re organising or when we’re meeting or we’ve got to move locations or we’ve just got to put down $20,000 worth of flooring in the gym. It’s like, “Where do we get the money from?” That means whatever, or with the food stuff. That’s the biggest thing, has been managing expectations of myself and then managing expectations with all the people that I work with. That’s probably the hardest thing.
Jane Erbacher: A lot of people, the fear of failure or the fear of disappointing themselves or disappointing themselves is such a strong fear that it stops them from doing anything. My perception of you is that it then becomes a driving force. Would you say that that fear of failure has stopped you?
Hayden Quinn: I don’t think it’s ever stopped me. It’s definitely broken me a few times. Even the long weekend just gone. Sunday I was like, “No, I can’t.” I was going to go do this and do that. I was going to go to a mate’s birthday and just couldn’t get there. I was just like, “No.”
Jane Erbacher: Exhausted?
Hayden Quinn: Yeah, just mentally. I was like, “No, I can’t face my mates because I’ve got so much stuff going on.” It’s like, “Fuck.” I just went for a surf. Then you come back and you’re sort of like, “Okay.”
Jane Erbacher: You’re recharged. You’re like, “I can do this.”
Hayden Quinn: I’m ready, yeah. The biggest thing for me is reflecting on past and past experiences, where I’ve been in that zone where I’m like, “Fuck, it’s not happening. This isn’t working.” Then you go, “Actually, I’m pretty good now. It didn’t really matter.” I think it was similar to what Hamish was saying in his podcast. He’s like, “You look back on it and you’re like, fuck, you were at the lowest point.” I keep swearing. Is that okay?
Jane Erbacher: That’s okay, yeah. I set it to explicit now. I didn’t realise I swore on it, but then someone wrote to me and was like, “You’ve been swearing.” I’m like, “Really?”
Hayden Quinn: Yeah, I swear a lot.
Jane Erbacher: There you go. I haven’t even noticed.
Hayden Quinn: You look back and you’re like, “That was a really terrible time, but it doesn’t even mean anything to me now. I’ve got through it, and I’m better. I’ve done something amazing.” The big thing for me is what I do, especially in the Hayden Quinn brand, it’s very much a wave-like setting. It’s opportunities come in, opportunities fall off, opportunities never even eventuate, or they get to a point where you’re 90% there, and then they fall through. The number of TV shows, concepts, ideas, pictures, things that we’ve got to the point where it’s like, “Yep, we’re ready to go.” I couldn’t tell you all the ideas and things that we’ve had that have fallen through.
That’s been the biggest thing. That to me, it shouldn’t be, but that’s failure. It shouldn’t be. It’s just like, “Oh, that’s didn’t work. Let it go. Next. What’s next? Next, next, next.”
Jane Erbacher: I am not in the same world at all as you, but I understand the whole putting yourself out there, being rejected occasionally, and everything not eventuating. When you’re in that kind of world, it’s hard when you’re that amount of driven, you’re so driven that you can’t help but be hard on yourself and think that it is failure. What I think I admire about you is that it might have stopped you briefly, it might have made you take a day off and go surfing, but it hasn’t stopped you.
You’ve kept fighting, and that’s the kind of thing that I don’t know if that can be learned. I don’t know if somebody can listen to this and learn that. That’s what I want. That’s what I hope for people. I look at somebody like you and go, “All I’ve seen is success.” I think that these failures that have come along are lessons, to just keep trying.
Hayden Quinn: Oh yeah, 100%. There was something that popped up in my head, but now it’s gone again.
Jane Erbacher: I think we’re both similar in terms of jumping all over the place.
Hayden Quinn: I think that’s all right, though. I think you’re allowed to do that. I’m like you. I haven’t done it recently. I write a lot. I don’t have a pen and paper. I used to. I’ve got stacks of journals. If you open that cupboard there, there’s literally stacks, stack, stacks of everything–thoughts, jobs, work, everything–all thrown into one. I can go back and look at the date and tell you what I was doing, and all that sort of stuff. I think that really helps, not only with, for me, getting things done, but also the personal ones. It’s like, “Today I was feeling terrible, and we did this. Today I went to Costa Rica, and it was amazing. I saw a monkey.”
That was really a big thing for me, in times where I just needed to get things out, was just writing it down. Just writing and just letting a creative process happen. Some people it might be painting or it might be this or that or running, or whatever that is. That was a big thing for me, was just letting things flow.
Jane Erbacher: I agree. I’m exactly the same. If I can do that, then I’m like zen. I’m okay with that. It’s funny because I have one book basically that has everything in it. It’s interesting because I’m like, “If I lose this book, I’m dead.” Then I’m like, “I only have to keep track of a book, one book, not five different books or 10 pieces of paper.” A few weeks ago, I was running a row workshop up here in Sidney, and I left my book at the rowing workshop. I got on the aeroplane-
Hayden Quinn: Freaked out.
Jane Erbacher: I know. I was like, “Oh my god!” It has everything in it.
Hayden Quinn: In my ones, I always put in the front “reward if found, please contact.” It’s like $100 or something. For most people it’s like, “This book is definitely worth $100. I’m going to email this person. It’s better than nothing.”
Jane Erbacher: Totally. They’re not going to look through my book [inaudible 00:38:03].
Hayden Quinn: Yeah, I have everything, always in the front of them. I’m going to have to pull one out.
Jane Erbacher: That’s so funny. I want to see it.
Hayden Quinn: I think it’s in this cupboard here.
Jane Erbacher: That is so funny.
Hayden Quinn: No, not that one. Yeah, here they all are. Look.
Jane Erbacher: Next to your cookbooks.
Hayden Quinn: Yeah, next to all my cookbooks.
Jane Erbacher: This is so funny. It’s funny, I’m often talking to people about the power of creativity.
Hayden Quinn: Look at that.
Jane Erbacher: Wow!
Hayden Quinn: I just pulled them all out.
Jane Erbacher: 2011.
Hayden Quinn: Yeah, this one. “13/10/2011. Aloha.” I’ve got no idea what any of this stuff is. “Strawberry seafood sauce.”
Jane Erbacher: That’s something I want to ask you about with cooking. Have you always been a big cook, been a huge foodie?
Hayden Quinn: I wouldn’t call it a foodie family, but I grew up with a mom that if foodies were called like they were today, she would have been a rock star. You know what I mean?
Jane Erbacher: Yes.
Hayden Quinn: There was no such thing as a foodie when my mom was doing food things. She taught cooking. She taught at [inaudible 00:39:01]. She did cake decorating. She did all this cool stuff. I learned from her. I’m a crazy curious sort of person and have always been that way. I remember just annoying, annoying, annoying Mum, asking questions, sitting on the bench, touching, doing this, doing that, and basically just annoying the shit out of her until she either let me do it or she told me the answer that I was looking for.
Mum always tells this story about … This comes back to the curiosity. One day we were driving. I don’t know how old I was. I was probably three or four or whatever age, when you’re just constantly asking questions. She said that I asked my dad one day when we were driving, “Dad, what’s under the road?” He’s like, “Oh, it’s road base.” “What’s under road base?” “Compacted something or other.” “What’s under that?” I just kept going, and he kept giving me the answers. I just wanted to know what was under everything, like how it worked. That’s sort of what I’ve been trying to figure out my whole life is just how things work and make things cool and interesting.
Jane Erbacher: I love it. You’re like X-men going backwards, finding out what happened before, what happened before, what’s underneath, how it all works. You’re fully going to sit here and read through all this. There’s seriously like 20 journals.
Hayden Quinn: This one’s a really good one. “25th of the April 2012 to 31st of July, 2012. Deli.”
Jane Erbacher: Oh my god, you’ve been on so many adventures.
Hayden Quinn: “Heading home. India.”
Jane Erbacher: What do you think is your biggest adventure you’ve been on? What’s the greatest adventure?
Hayden Quinn: I think my first trip to the US was probably the biggest step for me and was one that cemented in my mind that travel and meeting new people is an incredible thing. I was 18 years old, travelled to Long Beach Island, New Jersey with one of my best mates and two other Aussie guys that worked with us on the beach in Maringa. Met up with like five guys from [inaudible 00:40:53] who are still lifelong friends. We lived in this four-bedroom house with eight of us and one American girl. Just had the most incredible time. Just Aussie lifeguards in a small sort of costal island.
Jane Erbacher: Oh my god, they would have loved you.
Hayden Quinn: Yeah, in New Jersey. All my best friends from the US are guys that I met that year. One of them just had a baby. I went to two weddings last year. My other mates, Chris and Harry, I stay with them every time I go to New York. That sort of set me up for travel and wanting to do cool things. I’ve done a lot of travelling. I’ve been to a lot of places.
Jane Erbacher: It’s funny because you’ve been on my radar for ages. Last year so often I would jump on your Instagram. I’m like, “He’s in Hong Kong, or he’s somewhere else. When did this happen?” As if you’re going to do a lead-in, “I’m going to Hong Kong in two weeks.” I felt like here, there, it was just immediately that you popped up. It’s so cool.
Hayden Quinn: End of last year, we did 12 flights in two months, 12 international flights in two months. It was just like every day basically. It felt like every day it was just go, go, go. It was through Asia, so it wasn’t long flights. It was still up to China, down to Singapore and Malaysia, Singapore, China, Australia, back to. It was pretty busy, but I really enjoy it. For me, that’s who I was before. I travelled a lot. I learned. I went and backpacked, wrote about it. That’s what gets me excited, and that’s what recharges me, going away. Next Monday, or the 1st of May, I’m off to New Zealand to do a 350-kilometer bike journey with my best buddy, from Mount Cook to the coast. That sort of thing is my jam. That’s what I love.
Jane Erbacher: Yeah, that’s so good. That will be so beautiful as well.
Hayden Quinn: Yeah. It’s going to be freaking cold, though.
Jane Erbacher: It will be so cold, especially because you’re here. It’s still like summer.
Hayden Quinn: It’s going to be cold, but we’ve got all our waterproof gear. We’re all good.
Jane Erbacher: Please make sure you document that.
Hayden Quinn: I’m going to film a bit of it and try and make it all pretty cool. Most importantly it’s just a time to get out and not doing anything.
Jane Erbacher: It’s really hard when you work in your passion, though. It’s not work, it’s your passion, but it can still be exhausting. I think that’s what you see, because you’re such an excitable person and you’re so driven in your life. You also can’t help but think, “I’ve got to take every opportunity. Every opportunity that stays in line with my intentions.” That’s probably why you got exhausted last week.
Hayden Quinn: Yeah.
Jane Erbacher: I want to know, on a daily basis or a regular occurrence, who do you cope with stress?
Hayden Quinn: Eating well, not having Vegemite and mallow. Vegemite toast and mallow is probably not a good lunch. Definitely diet. Diet is a big one for me, making sure that I’m putting good food in my body. I know when I start putting shit food in my body, my mood changes, and it affects the people around me. Exercise is a big one. For me, I could go and sit on the beach for 10 hours and not move and not talk to anyone and be completely happy, so for me having time on my own, by myself, in nature is very important. I’ve never really done the meditation thing, but I guess doing that sort of is meditation anyway. They say meditation is whatever you sort of make it, as long as you detach from the world or whatever.
Yeah, that for me is food, exercise, and then just time alone, solitude and reflection definitely helps. It used to be writing. I feel really bad because I haven’t written for ages, but I think it’s one of those things you just do it when it’s right.
Jane Erbacher: When you can.
Hayden Quinn: Yeah.
Jane Erbacher: That’s the interesting thing about something like that. You don’t see immediately value in it, but now that you’ve realised how much you used to do, you’re like, “I have to do that again.”
Hayden Quinn: 100%. There’s some books that I didn’t pull out that are on the bottom there, that are from like 2010. I think that’s it.
Jane Erbacher: Oh, they’re pre.
Hayden Quinn: Yeah, so it’s a long time ago. There’s probably a 2009 one in there as well. It sort of tracks travels and girlfriends and all these little moments, a lot of quotes and stuff. I think day to day, for me it’s drinking lots of water. That’s another one for me. Then just making sure that the food intake is good, the exercise is there in some way, shape, or form, and then just getting a little bit of time away. Even if it’s, because I live just up the road, I just want to work, walk to here when I come here and walk along the beach or sit down there for a minute. Whatever it is. I’ll just go for a swim in the morning. That’s good enough, even if it’s just a quick one. Yeah, sunshine.
Jane Erbacher: What advice would you give to you? You can answer this in whatever way you want. You can answer it like advice you’d give to you in 2010 or advice that you would give to you now? What do you think? What kind of advice? This question just came to me. I’m sorry.
Hayden Quinn: No, that’s all right. I’m trying to think. 2010, that was seven years ago. I was 23.
Jane Erbacher: Even along the road, like at a time when you thought, “I could have done that better.” I even think it’s really interesting to think about what advice would you give yourself right now if you were somebody else looking at what you’re doing?
Hayden Quinn: The big one and the obvious one for me is it’s all going to be okay. That’s the main one. That’s the big thing for me is it’s all going to be okay. I could say that to myself through so many stages of my life. It’s so important. My girlfriend’s mom, that’s her mantra. She says that to me every night. “All will be okay. All will be okay. All will be okay.” I’m very fortunate in that I have an incredible family, I have an incredible friend group. I remind myself all the time, even if everything fell apart, even if we had to close the gym or there was no more Hayden Quinn the food travel personality, there was no more management coming, there was no more wine company, it just all fell apart? I would still be okay. There would be still something to fall back on.
Jane Erbacher: I think with your attitude, and this is something brought up with Hamish before, that we talked about in his podcast. It’s not any of these opportunities that have come to you. That’s not why Hayden Quinn the brand exists. That’s not why The Cube is so successful. It’s you. Even if those things were taken away from you now, you’d start again, and you’d do it again. The basis for everything, and I think that’s why it’s interesting to examine you, is because a lot of people would think with Master Chef, “It’s all set up for you, then.” It’s not. You had to go from there and work. It was from your attitude that everything is being created.
I think that people are always waiting “until.” They’re waiting to get a boyfriend when their body is perfect. They’re waiting to go for a job when all these ducks are in a row. You’re a perfect example of somebody who’s not waiting until. You’re just doing it now.
Hayden Quinn: You just gotta do it. There’s never a right time for anything.
Jane Erbacher: Now.
Hayden Quinn: Now is the moment.
Jane Erbacher: Okay, so my second to last question. This is something I ask everybody that’s on the podcast. What do you feel is your purpose in life? Why do you think that you’re here?
Hayden Quinn: That’s a very tricky question. I guess there’s two types of purposes. The purpose for me, internally, like “what do I get out of it?” Then I guess when you look at my purpose as a business, as well, which is a weird way to say it, but that’s what I put out into the world. I think my Hayden Quinn purpose is to I guess provide education and excitement around being the best person you can be, whether it be through travel, food, health, wellness, fitness, whatever it is, and broadcasting that in the different mediums which I work through. Whether it’s television, a cookbook recipe, a magazine article, whatever it may be, it’s just putting those good sort of vibes out there and making sure that people see a balanced approach to who I am. You see a lot of these people that are like, “I only eat kale. Do this and do that.” I drink that much piss and had the most amazing time.
Jane Erbacher: You love your life.
Hayden Quinn: Yeah. Still train hard and still feel amazing and have a good time. For me, that’s that purpose. I think for me, internally, is to just continue doing what I love and not be sabotaged by other people, other thoughts, or other voices, and going in a direction you don’t want to go. For me it’s just happiness is the purpose. Sometimes there’s moments where I’m like, “I’m not happy. I need to just kill that, stop that part of my life, get rid of it and go another direction.”
Jane Erbacher: Absolutely love it. That’s the best answer I’ve ever heard in my whole life. That was so great. The last thing I want to ask you is what are you working on right now and where are you going? What’s next for you? How long have we got?
Hayden Quinn: You know how I said something came and I forgot what it is?
Jane Erbacher: Yes. It came back to you?
Hayden Quinn: It came back when you said that. The hardest question I get asked all the time is, “What are you up to? What are you doing?”
Jane Erbacher: Where do I start, yeah.
Hayden Quinn: Sometimes I don’t know what I’m doing. Seriously. Sometimes I’ll come in here and I’m like, “Okay, what am I doing? Where am I at?” Sometimes it’s hard to answer. Sometimes it’s hard to answer because there’s so much going on. I’m definitely not someone that likes to sell myself too much. I don’t [inaudible 00:51:03] myself, but I could sit here and rattle off a million things that I’m doing. Most people when you go to a barbecue, “How you been, what’s been happening?” “Oh, just work.”
Jane Erbacher: “Same old.”
Hayden Quinn: Yeah, same old.
Jane Erbacher: I’m like, “What do you mean same old?”
Hayden Quinn: Then people come up to me. “What are you doing? What are you working on at the moment?” You just want to say same old, but you can elaborate on it. I’m not just doing the same thing. It’s really hard. I forget what the question was now.
Jane Erbacher: What are you working on at the moment? What’s next? You can answer either.
Hayden Quinn: Right now we’re working on some big projects. I do a lot of work with Qantas. This is just literally today. This is what I was working on today. We’ve got some cool projects with Qantas coming up, some stuff over in Western Australia with them, some stuff with their loyalty programme, some stuff with their new cash rewards card in Europe. There’s all sorts of stuff that we’re doing with them. I’m a Qantas ambassador, partner person.
Jane Erbacher: I want to be a Qantas ambassador partner. I’m just going to add this to my goals.
Hayden Quinn: Yeah. Q Collective, they call it. We’re doing some stuff with them, planning some ideas around that.
Jane Erbacher: Smart marketing by them, to have you. It’s really interesting what you just said about balance and creating excitement and educating and stuff. You’re someone everybody wants to be friends with. Good by them.
Hayden Quinn: It’s sort of what you said then. One thing I try to be is the same person you see on television and you hear on this podcast is the same person that if I was down at the pub with my mates I’d be acting and carrying on the same way. The same person that acts and carries on the same way with my grandma. It doesn’t change. I still swear in front of my grandma, as bad as that is. I get in trouble all the time. I still carry on. It’s not like some people you might see them as a character in their world, and then you see them in real life and you’re like, “That’s different. They’re different. They’re not the same person.” I just need to be the same person, otherwise I’ll go crazy.
Jane Erbacher: You can’t uphold that.
Hayden Quinn: No, yeah. A lot of people I know, they sort of have this little thing. It’s like unless you’re an actor, you can’t do it.
Jane Erbacher: No, you can’t. Imagine who exhausting that would be.
Hayden Quinn: You need to snap out of it.
Jane Erbacher: I did a podcast weeks ago about how when you connect with somebody, it’s because their being themselves. You can’t connect with somebody on a level anything beneath superficial if someone is putting on some kind of a façade. If I could say anything is one of the main reasons why you’re so successful, it’s because people can connect with you. As I said, you’re that person that everybody wants to be friends with. Your message is great as well, but people are tuning into it because it’s coming from you, and it’s real.
Hayden Quinn: Yeah, it’s got to be real. Back to what I’m doing. We’re doing that. Then got an exciting potential project kicking up in the US, which is really cool. We’ve got another show that we’re working on for primetime Australian television. Doing a lot of stuff. Obviously our Surfing the Menu series is on SBS Food Network at the moment, which is really cool. Pushing for a second season of that. Working on some stuff for SBS Food Network, on other little food and lifestyle [inaudible 00:54:10]. Then working with SBS Sport on some programming around their Tour de France, which is really cool, just coming up with some ideas there.
Jane Erbacher: Would you get to go?
Hayden Quinn: Hopefully.
Jane Erbacher: Yeah, awesome.
Hayden Quinn: It’s real early stages with that. We’re just sort of spit-balling and creating ideas, basically. I also have a partnership in a wine label, Kooks Wines, which we sell in [inaudible 00:54:33] and on Jetstar. That’s always ticking away in the background. We’ve got lots of cool projects with that. Basically that’s all about purpose-driven business. It’s about giving back to the community through sales of our wine. It’s really cool stuff. People can check that out. That’s a whole other story we can talk about another time.
Jane Erbacher: We’re going to have do part 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. I did have in my mind that this would be a 20-minute podcast, but I’ve-
Hayden Quinn: We’re getting up to the hour. That’s pretty good.
Jane Erbacher: We’re doing very well. I know we’re both staring at the clock.
Hayden Quinn: Both looking at the numbers. Then obviously the gym, which to be honest, I don’t spend a heap of time there. I’m involved in there behind the scenes more than the day to day coaching and training. I do have my personal training certificate, so I do fill in when it’s like, “Someone’s sick or the baby’s …” I can come in that way, but Lewis runs that and our amazing team of trainers and guys and girls look after all the day to day, which is incredible. I basically just enjoy training. It’s my thing.
Jane Erbacher: Yeah. It’s really clean in here, by the way. That’s my thing.
Hayden Quinn: I like keeping it clean. Yeah, so the gym is amazing. The more people engaged with it, the better is sort of becomes. That’s great. I love the fact that our gym is such a mix of people, as well. My mom trains there. My sister trains there, my other sister, my girlfriend, my mate’s moms. From elite sports people that are on the world circuit, [inaudible 00:56:12], professional triathlete, Matty Abel, ultra marathon runner, PT down at The Cube. The list of people, football teams, to just everyday punters that just want to keep moving, is what I love, too. Guys and girls that come in that it’s the first time they’ve stepped into the gym. It’s like, “Good on you. Welcome. Come on. Don’t be afraid. You can do whatever you want here.”
Jane Erbacher: Every life is equal.
Hayden Quinn: Yeah, exactly. I think that’s the beautiful thing about our programming and the programming that Lewis has created, is it’s very open. It’s not like some crossfit places you go to, and I feel intimidated. My training modality at the moment is very much focused toward triathlons. I can’t lift anything. I’m not strong at the moment. That’s the cool thing about The Cube. If you’re focused around doing this sort of training, or you want to focus on that, you can sort of cater it through the different programming we have.
Jane Erbacher: Totally. I’ve gone all the way through Gym Jones. Something I love about that philosophy is objective-based training. You can have 10 different people–and I think that your programming is somewhat similar to that–they have completely different goals, but it can work. It can work for everybody, and nobody is excluded. I hate when you go into a space and you really feel like, “Oh my god, I’m not good enough to be here.” That’s not the feeling at all.
Hayden Quinn: No, yeah. If guys are doing burpees, box jumps, guys are doing step-ups, people are just laying on the floor and standing up. It’s like, “Who cares what you’re doing? As long as you’re doing something.”
Jane Erbacher: Do your best, yeah.
Hayden Quinn: I don’t care if you’re doing a back flip off the box when you get up there.
Jane Erbacher: I would love to be able to do that.
Hayden Quinn: It’s incredible.
Jane Erbacher: That’s something I would definitely be showing people if I could do that.
Hayden Quinn: Yeah. One thing for me, with my training, I’m like this, I’m everywhere. I used to train really hard with the weights and strength and all that sort of stuff and be able to go in there and train with the guys at 98 Riley Street and do Fuck you Friday.
Jane Erbacher: I was there today. I can’t lift my arms.
Hayden Quinn: Oh did you? I used to smash that and love it.
Jane Erbacher: [crosstalk 00:58:24]
Hayden Quinn: Now I’m running three times a week, riding three or four times a week, swimming twice a week and doing that. We do [inaudible 00:58:34] down at The Cube. When I changed my training modality, I lost straight up basically three kilos–two kilos of muscle and a kilo of body fat–just from changing the way I train.
Jane Erbacher: It’s so interesting. What are you training for? What’s coming up?
Hayden Quinn: The triathlon season is sort of on the downward spiral because it’s coming into winder. Basically I was training for sprint triathlons, which I really love and really enjoy. Now it’s sort of we’re basically into Coast to Coast in New Zealand. It’s the two day team event from one side to the other of New Zealand in February next year.
Jane Erbacher: Is that normal? Is that paddle boat or something?
Hayden Quinn: You run, you bike, you run, and then in teams you have to do it in two days. You rest that night, and then you wake up. I’m not sure what’s first. I’m not sure if you run into the paddle or you ride into the paddle, but then you do a 70k down river. I’ve spent a lot of time on the water, paddling ocean kayaks. The guy I’m doing it with is on the world series for ocean paddling. It’s 70k down river, and then we ride again. Then you run and you’re done. We’re going to give that a good crack.
Jane Erbacher: Oh my god, that is such a cool event.
Hayden Quinn: You need a good year of training to get ready for that sort of thing.
Jane Erbacher: Definitely, and mental resilience for that as well. We haven’t even gotten into resilience, we haven’t talked about it at all. I feel like this is coming to the end, but next part we have to talk about resilience.
Hayden Quinn: Next time. You can talk to me about it after we finish the Coast to Coast. See how we go there.
Jane Erbacher: You are amazing. Thank you so much for today.
Hayden Quinn: Thank you, Jane. I appreciate it.
Jane Erbacher: I can’t believe how exciting and energising it is to be around you. I feel like I’m going to go for a paddle or something. It’s a bit dark outside.
Hayden Quinn: It’s getting dark now.
Jane Erbacher: I feel like now is not the time to start my paddling career.
Hayden Quinn: Now is the time for red wine and some food.
Jane Erbacher: I know. I love that you said to me, “Aren’t you going to be going out on Friday night or something?” I’m like, “No, no. This is it.”
Hayden Quinn: I’m very much a home body. We’ve got a couple of friends around for dinner tonight. It’ll be a nice, quiet, red wine, some chicken tagine. That’s my sign off for Friday afternoon.
Jane Erbacher: This is perfect. You are the best. Thank you so much for today.
Hayden Quinn: Thank you, cheers.
Jane Erbacher: Thank you, thank you, thank you. Thank you everyone for listening. Bye!