This weeks Your Revolution podcast is all about overcoming set backs and creating your own strength, both inside and out. In a world where we have so much negativity, it’s so awesome to meet such a positive and determined man who really is making the lives of those around him better with his attitude, energy and actions.
Don’t miss this opportunity to tune in and inspire the change necessary to make your life even better too.
Jane Erbacher: Hello and welcome to this week’s episode of the Your Revolution Podcast. My name’s Jane Erbacher and I’m your host. I’m beyond excited, I’m actually really hot and sweaty I’m so excited. But I am so excited and extremely nervous because I’m sitting next to one of my heroes I would say. I feel like I’ve just made an awkward situation way more awkward. I’m so excited because I’m sitting next to Lee Carseldine.
Lee Carseldine: Great to be here.
Jane Erbacher: I just started second guessing myself there and I’m like what if I pronounced his name wrong.
Lee Carseldine: Yep that’s me, Carseldine.
Jane Erbacher: Famous from Cricket and Survivor, and pretty much being the hottest healthy dad there is out there.
Lee Carseldine: I’ll take that.
Jane Erbacher: Yeah so I was a huge huge huge fan of yours post to your cricket career because I apologise I know nothing about cricket.
Lee Carseldine: That’s good.
Jane Erbacher: Absolutely that’s good.
Lee Carseldine: That’s a good thing.
Jane Erbacher: But I saw you on Survivor and I thought, “This is someone who I wanna be friends with.” So before I introduce you I did want to say thank you so much for being on Podcast. I know how busy you are these days and I really really really really appreciate you giving up your time. And I know that I’ve been a little bit annoying trying to book you in because you live in Brisbane and I have this thing where I like to do Podcast face to face. So I’m really sorry if it has been a hassle at all.
Lee Carseldine: Not at all, not at all.
Jane Erbacher: The people will love you, so thank you so much. But basically the purpose of our Podcast, the Your Revolution Podcast is to inspire people to make changes they need in their life in order to make their life better. So every week it’s either just me talking solo about things like taking action, getting out of your comfort zone, resilience, perseverance, engagement, or basically I talk to someone who’s overcome or experienced or created or achieved something that I think is extraordinary. And you obviously fall into that category, because not only have you played cricket at a top level but you’ve started your own business, and you’ve been an amazing dad to two kids, and most recently you’ve been on my favourite TV show Survivor. And anybody who knows anything about Survivor knows that it’s way out of anyone’s comfort zone. So what really drew me to you and what really made me wanna talk to you was that it wasn’t just that you participated in Survivor and you survived it, but it was the attitude and integrity with how you played the game. And it really inspired me to research you and find out more about you and from there I actually started to realise that you’re an incredible role model. So I feel like you’re extremely strong and resilient, and a lot of the people that we have on the Podcast, I talk to them about physical strength and resilience. But you had the integrity to stay aligned with your personal values throughout the game and that showed me that the resilience and strength you have isn’t just physical but it’s mental and emotional as well. And so what I was really left wondering was how can I find out more about you, and I thought well why not ask you directly. So today I wanna know, so the intention of the Podcast today is I wanna know what drives you, how are you so resilient, how have you bounced back even higher after the setbacks that you’ve had. And how can we apply this to our lives. So that’s the intention of the Podcast. So I’d like to really formally welcome you to the Podcast. I looked on your website and I saw that your little description of you isn’t one thing, it’s lots of things. So I’m gonna use that. You’re and athlete, you’re a business man, you’re a media personality, and most of all you’re a healthy dad, and I’m so grateful that you’re a part of the Podcast.
Lee Carseldine: What an intro.
Jane Erbacher: I know it was good wasn’t it.
Lee Carseldine: I’ll have to carry you around everywhere I go.
Jane Erbacher: I know, you can just carry me around, I’ll just pop out and be like, “Everybody Lee Carseldine.”
Lee Carseldine: No, I’m happy to do the Podcast.
Jane Erbacher: Thank you so much.
Lee Carseldine: Yeah look I mean it’s been a crazy crazy ride since Survivor finished and I had no idea I think the reception I was gonna get from the public. Obviously we all know the resolve for those who are are listening or who aren’t Survivor fans. I peeked through the post.
Jane Erbacher: I was so shocked about that.
Lee Carseldine: Yeah.
Jane Erbacher: And I almost cried. I was like, I thought you were a sure, a sure win.
Lee Carseldine: That’s the beauty of the game. Unfortunately I had some people there in the jury who didn’t want to see me win and that was fine, and they wanted to hand it over to Christie so … But I think yeah as I said, I was just taken aback as to the support that I had sort of coming off the island and back home. And yeah, it’s led to a couple of really good opportunities and just having fun with it all really and seeing where it will go. I didn’t go in there with any intention to have a career in media or anything like that. I just thought you know let’s just do this for a really good personal challenge, and then see what happens when I get off it.
Jane Erbacher: And I think that the really cool thing about it, and I promise everybody I’m not just gonna talk about Survivor. I do quote Survivor regularly on this Podcast so people do know I like it. But I think what’s really drawn everybody to you since this is because the way you played the game is transferrable to your life. Like you didn’t go in there and say, “It’s a game, I’m gonna treat people badly.” You went in there and you said, “These are my values, I’m gonna treat people with respect and I’m gonna see where that takes me.” And it’s taken you so much further than the game because it was in a really authentic way as well. It wasn’t in a way that you were putting it on, I mean you couldn’t put it on.
Lee Carseldine: No you could put on. Unless I got voted off the first couple of days or something, you’re out there for so long, and I couldn’t put on anything else. And I think the executive producers and the casting people when they saw me thought, “Oh who do we have here?” Because I went in there, and I think part of the reason why I got casted was the fact that I said, “Hey this is me, I’m gonna go in there, I’m gonna try and bring what I’ve learned in the sporting world into survivor, which is probably rubs against everything that is again Survivor. In a sense that [inaudible 00:07:58] loyalty, mateship, you know, having your sort of your team mates back and things like that.
Jane Erbacher: Yes at all costs.
Lee Carseldine: So the things that I learned in sport, I was gonna bring onto Survivor, and they just sort of thought, “Oh who’s this guy, he’s in for a real shock.”
Jane Erbacher: [inaudible 00:08:15]
Lee Carseldine: So that was, and I think that’s probably what got me on you know, obviously it was a new show, they wanted to cast a lot of super fans who had watched 30 odd seasons in America. But they also wanted to cast people like myself and like Elle and also Sam who had watched a little bit of Survivor but wanted to bring that Australian version and make it their own. And you know we did quite well out of it.
Jane Erbacher: Yeah.
Lee Carseldine: And you know as I said, we made our way to pretty much Sam, Elle and myself all the way to the end. So yeah, it was … I couldn’t go in there at my age sort of trying to be anyone else other than myself. And if I did, I would have got thrown out pretty quickly.
Jane Erbacher: Totally.
Lee Carseldine: Because I’m a bad sort of liar. I could probably lie for a little while on that island, but mate, after a while my true colours would have shined through and I just would have been myself anyways. So-
Jane Erbacher: Well I think yourself is someone you should always want to be because you’re pretty cool.
Lee Carseldine: Yeah, thanks. And they remind you before you go onto the island as to why they casted you. So if I sort of got scared just before I went in and thought, “Geeze I can’t play this being truthful, what am I doing, I’m gonna go in there and lie and cheat and steal.” They reminded me right before I went in. “You realise why we cast you you know, we cast you because of who you are and the values that you bring, and let’s see you try and get as far as you possibly can.” So whether or not I got voted off a week or didn’t get voted off at all, which I didn’t, yeah, that was how I wanted to play the game. And I suppose the longer the game went on, the harder it was to go against those values. I sort of dug my heels in and said, ” No, no , no I have to play it this way, I’ve come this far.” And it was even to the point where it got to the last few, and I could’ve turned on a couple people but I just couldn’t. I just sort of dug my heels in, I’ve come this far, I would have let myself down if I sort of went against my values and how I wanted to play the game.
So you know, people sitting back home they probably would have thought if they’re watching, “Why didn’t I do that, why …” But when you’re out there, it is Survivor like and it is that … it’s a [inaudible 00:10:18] of your life, and you’re actually living it, and you think that’s life and death out there. It’s weird, it’s hard. People sit back and think, “Oh it’s just a game, it’s just a game.” But when you’re out there, no those relationships with people are real.
Jane Erbacher: They are. Well they are.
Lee Carseldine: When you feel like you’re getting voted off, you’re feeling like you’re basically, you’re getting voted off life, you know what I mean. You take it pretty personally when something happens against you.
Jane Erbacher: Amazing. Again, there’s so many things I want to ask you, but I do wanna kick off with you’re favourite quote. [crosstalk 00:10:53] Do you have a favourite quote? What is your favourite quote?
Lee Carseldine: I’ve got … I read a lot and then there’s a lot of motivational quotes out there. But I think there was … I read a lot of books to my boys and I suppose over the last few years I’ve read a lot of Dr. Seuss books and I love his books. And I’ve put a few up on Instagram but I like this one. It says, “The more that you read, the more things you will know, you more that you learn, you more places you will go.” So I dunno, it just, I like that because for me it’s all about reading, it’s all about knowledge, it’s all about self improvement, it’s all about education and sort … As I said, the more that you learn, the more places you will go, and I’ve been quite fortunate, not only from a sporting point of view, but outside of that to travel around the world. And the more … and it’s a bit of a snowball effect, the more that you travel, the more things that you know, the more places you will go. It’s so true.
Jane Erbacher: It’s so true because it opens you up to more ideas and people.
Lee Carseldine: More experiences, yeah so and more opportunities as well.
Jane Erbacher: Amazing.
Lee Carseldine: I love that quote.
Jane Erbacher: Lucky boys they are.
Lee Carseldine: Yeah.
Jane Erbacher: It’s awesome, no they are really lucky. It’s funny sitting here with you, you’re even more likeable in person. You really are, you’re very engaging, it’s really nice.
Lee Carseldine: Aww thanks.
Jane Erbacher: So I want to start off with a little bit of a … We’ve had a bit of a chat, kind of in the middle of your life of Survivor. But I kind of want to know what happened before that. So who are you?
Lee Carseldine: Yeah I suppose there’s a little bit of a story, and that’s sort of coming out through Survivor. The fact that I played professional sport for a living. Look, in hindsight it was probably a semi-successful career. I played for Queensland state but never reached the lofty heights of playing for Australia, but I had a pretty big incident in the middle of my career which sort of knocked me about a fair bit. It was, I was about 27 years of age, I was playing for Queensland, doing okay, not setting the world on fire, and I had a major back injury that meant that it was pretty much the end of my career. And you look at is as a sports person at the age of 27, you’re supposed to be at your peak.
Jane Erbacher: Especially cricket.
Lee Carseldine: Yeah you’re supposed to be hitting your peak and it was an operation that pretty much ended my career. And the Doctor said that before, so I knew that was the end of my career. But not only that, they said that this was an operation that you needed to have so that you had quality of life afterwards. So I was always active, always healthy, and I wanted to make sure that if I had kids, that I was going to maintain a healthy lifestyle. So it was a big decision. I knew that my contract was going to get ripped up, I knew that was the end of my career, but I had to take it. And I had the operation and that was semi-successful and that went okay. But another incident that happened down in Melbourne, I contracted septicemia down there through one of your hospitals down there in Melbourne.
Jane Erbacher: I’m so sorry.
Lee Carseldine: [inaudible 00:13:35] A little bit of sabotage going on. But I contracted that and really knocked me about to the point where it nearly took my life. And that was a really really dark place where everything sort of, my whole world-
Jane Erbacher: So that was just after your back surgery.
Lee Carseldine: Probably a few months after the back surgery.
Jane Erbacher: Oh my God.
Lee Carseldine: Had this, my wife at the time was pregnant. I missed out on my best mates wedding, my mates wedding I was best mates at. Obviously we knew my contract was a goner so my world was caving in. I just, I suppose bought a house and was doing a massive renovation so I didn’t know where my next dollar was coming in from. And I sort of fell into that trap of being a quintessential sports person who didn’t sort of have a plan b. So I was in a really dark place mentally as well as physically because you know, I didn’t know whether I was gonna walk again properly or get full health back. So that was a really massive moment in my life, and like anything it was a hard time and I was in a really really dark place. I never went to seek help when I probably should have. And I tried to work my way through it myself and I was quite lucky in a sense that I got through that, and my back came good and I made a comeback. And that comeback was you know, at that ripe old age of 30 when most sports people are sort of washed up, and I played for another four or five years of Queensland and went on to travel and play a few domestic t20 competitions in India and Bangladesh.
And that part of my life was amazing, but there’s a lot of elements as to why that was. And one, I had my full health back. Two, I’d worked so hard mentally to get through that dark place that I knew that playing a game of cricket was going to be easy. I had more balance in my life as well. I had kids, I had studied in that time I had off. I completed a double Masters as well. So I knew that the game of cricket was just a game. Before that, it was everything to me. There was no balance.
Jane Erbacher: Amazing, I don’t usually interrupt people. I try not to anyway but I have so many things that I have to ask you right now. How on earth did you come back from that, because I know dealing with people, like ordinary everyday people who get an injury, how much work it takes to get them back just in the gym. But your entire identity was wrapped up in your physicality. So in what you could do on the cricket field, that was Lee. And that was it.
Lee Carseldine: That was me, yeah.
Jane Erbacher: And everything was attached to that. Everything came from that and so that’s taken away from you. How do you then, three years later, get back to a really top level physically and then in career as well.
Lee Carseldine: I think you’re right, my identity was fully, all about cricket. And that was probably the downfall of my career when I first started. I have no doubt that the injuries were brought upon myself from a mental point of view. But also from a physical point of view. So that probably exacerbated it even more, the fact that I didn’t have anything else other than cricket. So my identity was cricket and I wanted to be know as a cricket, as as a sports, a professional sports … that’s all I wanted to be known as, nothing else. And so out of that obviously came a massive crash. So getting through that I tried to apply sort of what I applied with coming back from injuries in general in sports. So you know, I knew that the rehab process was gonna be long. So from a physical point of view, I knew that I could be disciplined with that. Really what I needed to improve was my mental side of things. So i just went out there and tried. I think when you’re open to try and find new ways of learning, I think things will come to you and appear in your life.
I’m a great believer in that. And what’s funny, because reading books like, even books like The Secret, The Power of Now, The Science of Getting Rich, which is a great book, which was actually derived from … which came about from … The Secret was derived from that actually. It was a book by Wallace Wattles back in the 1930’s and the title doesn’t give it justice. But all that reading about staying in the moment, staying in the present moment, and being grateful for everything in your life. Even though you’re in a massive hole and you think, “I don’t know if I’m going to walk again.” That really helped me get through those really bad sort of moments that you get through. Because what happens is your mind takes you to weird weird places. And if you don’t catch yourself with your thoughts, you find yourself, whether it be a day, a week, a month ahead, thinking, “What’s just happened in that last month?” So for me it’s those small little sort of things that I learned along the way. And then coming back from that, obviously I had my physical side of things, but I was so much stronger mentally, and then I just went out there and had fun and played cricket for the love of it.
That’s why I started and then I had a … you know, my numbers, if you happened to have a look at my numbers in terms of from a statistical point of view, they were twice as good. And I have no doubt that that came about through all those little experiences along the way.
Jane Erbacher: Yeah your mindset. And what did you study in that time as well?
Lee Carseldine: I studied an MBA and a Masters of applied finance.
Jane Erbacher: Oh my God.
Lee Carseldine: I don’t know how. I think … I never did an undergrad because again, when I said my identity was cricket, I finished school and I just travelled the world playing cricket, that’s all I wanted to do. So I did enough to get through school and then when it came to study, I thought I don’t have time. I was 27, I don’t have time to do a full year undergrad, what do I do? I got my player welfare manager to wheel me into the University up here in Queensland QUT, God bless them and I said I wanna do an MBA. And they looked at me going,” Well what for?”
Jane Erbacher: What for?
Lee Carseldine: And so they gave me a little … They accepted me, I studied really hard, and then out of that I decided to do a Masters of Applied Finance, which was really really challenging but I got through it. So yeah, it was just applying the same principles to totally out of my comfort zone. For someone who’s never studied to go straight into an MBA, I thought, well okay, it’s just about discipline, it’s about sort of sticking to the task at hand, and then getting into that routine, and that’s exactly what I did. I just applied I suppose what the principals that I learned in sport to study. And then once you get into that role, you know exactly what you need to study for. You know how to plan. It’s no different from playing sports. So yeah and that kept me busy while I was out of the game for those three years. So that kept me focused as well as working as well as …
Jane Erbacher: That is so interesting because we talk about that a lot on the Podcast, is about the application of what you learn in sport or training to the rest of your life, and how it’s all the same things. And we talk a lot about set backs in people’s lives. I generally like to focus a lot of my conversation on that because I use the term setback, but it really is the opportunity to grow even stronger than you were before. And that’s exactly what happened to you. Like you could have taken the injury as being career ending, you could have taken all the lessons you were learning from that as step away, it’s over, I’m done. Or you could take them and go, “You know what, what can I actually create in this period of time to make me even better?”
Lee Carseldine: And I look back and people go, oh look you had an injury, you probably would have played for Australia, would have had a great career. I said, “Well maybe.” maybe not also because my balance was out of line anyways, so this was a huge … And I’m a real slow learner too, so when it comes to change for me, it comes at massive moments in my life. Whether it be back injury, the breakup of my marriage, things like that as to really really learn a lot. And I try and take moments out of things that really, when I’m in a bad place, [inaudible 00:21:08] what’s this lesson?
Jane Erbacher: Yeah what’s this lesson.
Lee Carseldine: Then I look and I go, “Well look at the opportunities that have come and the person I am now from this major injury. The fact that I studied, you know, I got a double Masters. I probably wouldn’t have got accepted on Survivor.
Jane Erbacher: Yeah we would never have met.
Lee Carseldine: We would never have met, we wouldn’t be doing this Podcast. I’d probably be working at some corporate job because I would have retired, and I would have just slid straight into a corporate job. [inaudible 00:21:36] Yes it’s a sliding doors moment, I have no doubt that that was a sliding doors moment for a reason.
Jane Erbacher: Yeah, I absolutely love that. I love hearing people making the most out of challenges. And it was Oprah that once said …
Lee Carseldine: Quoting Oprah.
Jane Erbacher: I know, quality over here okay. She once said how messages come to you. First it’s like a little tap on the shoulder, and then a slap in the face, and then hit by a bus type thing. And I guess what you just said about change, it has to be a big moment for you, for you to realise that change is required.
Lee Carseldine: I’m getting better. I’m getting better when there’s a tap on the shoulder, then I need to change. But still it’s a slap in the face. Or actually it’s not even a slap. It’s a sledge hammer in the face for me.
Jane Erbacher: Yes.
Lee Carseldine: To go hey come on, get yourself in line here. And that’s an ongoing thing. It’s something that you never say alright I’ve got out of that, I’ve learned that, cool, I’m gonna do that again. Yeah so for me I’m getting better at sort of going alright that’s a tap on the shoulder, and then sort of [inaudible 00:22:41]
Jane Erbacher: Yeah I love that. And I think it’s so interesting, and people are goin to take so much from this conversation, so I do wanna know exactly how you’re working with people now to share this kind of message? But what I want to say about that is that so many people, they get injured and they go, “Oh that really sucks, yep okay I’ll go to the physio and then I’ll go back to doing exactly what I was doing.” And it’s like, you went, “Okay, well I could have gone and played for Australia potentially, that’s not going to happen now. How can I make my life so amazing from this.” And I want people to listen to this and I want people to hear it, that it’s like things can go wrong in your life, like your marriage can fail, and that’s something you never hoped for, you never wanted that to happen but it’s like okay, what lesson can you take from that? And what lesson can you take from an injury and actually apply it.
Lee Carseldine: Absolutely. And then all these little moments along in my life, post that injury, that has maybe become I suppose the person I am today and has given me the ability to even share this story that people … I sort of self deprecating, I’m thinking no one wants to really hear my story, but there’s more and more people who wanna hear it and I suppose I’m happy to share that.
Jane Erbacher: I do, and can learn from it.
Lee Carseldine: And as I said, I think what probably resonates with people is the fact that I’m not this sports person who’s played a hundred test matches, who has this huge identity. I’ve sort of scrapped my way through and played yes a professional sport. I made a living out of it. But I’ve like … My challenge is now I’m a dad, I’ve got a business to run, try and stay fit and health and so I’m like every other [inaudible 00:24:12] out there. So people can sort of resonate with that a little bit.
Jane Erbacher: Totally, and you’re not indestructible, like you’re striving to be indestructible, but you’re not.
Lee Carseldine: I don’t feel indestructible.
Jane Erbacher: Yeah there you go, but that’s when people can actually connect with you and then learn from your experience. Whereas if you were wolverine, even though we all wish you were.
Lee Carseldine: I wish I was wolverine.
Jane Erbacher: [inaudible 00:24:33] This is why your message can actually get out there. So what have you done … Okay so you’ve done your double Masters, and then you applied to Survivor [crosstalk 00:24:44]
Lee Carseldine: Yeah I came out of retirement and I really wanted to stick to that healthy lifestyle. And I knew that also from a creative point of view that I was going to find … that I was going to be in and out of a few different jobs. And I was aware of that because I had retired before. And the second time around I was more prepared for it. But I wanted to make sure from a health and fitness point of view. I put so much value on that that I did things every year. There was a challenge every year that I set myself. And it could have been anything. But i set myself, like a triathlon for a couple of years. I did a marathon and then did [inaudible 00:25:18] in 2015. So I set myself these challenges and you know, there was obviously small challenges in an amongst that but then the last year the opportunity for Survivor came up and I thought oh that would be cool. That looks like a physical challenge, and a mental challenge. And I thought, that’s it. They normally keep aside a couple of spots for washed up spor ties, I’m gonna have a crack.
Jane Erbacher: Dammit that’s what I’m doing wrong. I’ll tell them about my high school softmore [inaudible 00:25:44]
Lee Carseldine: And I was really fortunate, I had no idea as to how popular the applications were and people who wanted to get on. Even I tell people, you know the 24 contestants out there, just to get on there is a huge thing.
Jane Erbacher: Oh it’s huge, I applied. [crosstalk 00:26:02]
Lee Carseldine: We could have been team members. Could have formed an alliance out there.
Jane Erbacher: I hope I wasn’t too much of a physical threat for you so …
Lee Carseldine: Yeah [inaudible 00:26:08] And then obviously to experience all the way to the end and get all the way to the last day.
Jane Erbacher: And never actually be voted out. And how many votes did you get against you?
Lee Carseldine: My fire is still lit somewhere.
Jane Erbacher: It is yeah, in this game fire represents your life.
Lee Carseldine: Exactly.
Jane Erbacher: As long as there’s fire you’re still alive. Is that what it is?
Lee Carseldine: I’m still alive? [crosstalk 00:26:27] Hopefully it’s not a lot, the whole warehouse is gonna go down.
Jane Erbacher: On fire.
Lee Carseldine: But yeah, it been … I was always open to doing different things. I didn’t want to be, sort of pigeon hole [inaudible 00:26:43] and stay in the sporting scene. I still am involved in our player union, and ACA which is our Australian Crickets Association, so I’m still involved in cricket. But I didn’t want to go back into a traditional admin role or a coaching role. I wanted to get out there, and I thought you know what, there’s a world out there, there’s something out there for me. Just be open to it and see what comes along my way. And I’ve had a few different careers, and I’ve had a lot of different experiences. And every one, some have been bad, some have been amazing. So yeah I’ll just keep going and look for a new challenge.
Jane Erbacher: And what are you doing now?
Lee Carseldine: Physically or for work?
Jane Erbacher: Yes.
Lee Carseldine: Work wise I’ve got a droning business which is going really well. The industry is quite new and there’s a lot of new technology so it’s a bit of a challenge with the business because you’ve got to adapt. You know, you might have a great business idea and then next thing you know a piece of legislation comes in or the market changes so quickly so you have to adapt to the times, which is really interesting because what was great three months ago isn’t great now.
Jane Erbacher: Yep.
Lee Carseldine: And then physically my challenge this year is to … I’m training for sort of a celebrity boxing match.
Jane Erbacher: Oh really?
Lee Carseldine: I’ve never been in a ring before this year.
Jane Erbacher: That’s why you had to go to [inaudible 00:27:53]
Lee Carseldine: That’s the one where I’m wearing black golf shorts. So for me a massive challenge, I’ve never been in a scrap in my life. Never been in a backyard fight or a school yard fight. I’ve never been in a ring, so apart from doing the old boxing, you know, hitting pads and stuff like that. So I thought now there’s a few opportunities coming up, so I’m in there boxing and sparing and that’s been a huge challenge.
Jane Erbacher: That’s great.
Lee Carseldine: The fear of actually getting hit. So my challenge this year is that, which is a big one.
Jane Erbacher: Yeah I dunno what I’d do if somebody punched me in the face.
Lee Carseldine: At the start I just ran around the ring, I thought if I can run, I can run away from my sparring opponent for three minutes. I don’t wanna get hit.
Jane Erbacher: I can do that yeah.
Lee Carseldine: Yeah, and again, each time, it’s one thing with boxing, it’s like anything; to actually improve in the ring I have to get hit. I have to. And I’ll come out of there thinking geeze that felt bad. And then I’ll go back and have a look at the footage, and I just see small improvements every day. And it’s not like training for running, where you know that your times are better, and then you might be a bit stiff. To train for boxing you have to get punched in the [inaudible 00:28:58]
Jane Erbacher: Oh my god [crosstalk 00:28:58] And then bounce back from that.
Lee Carseldine: So the learning process is a lot slower but it’s fun and I’m finding it weird that I’m enjoying getting hit.
Jane Erbacher: Yeah because it’s a physical challenge. It’s out of your comfort zone. Which leads me to the question of comfort zone. It’s probably one of my favourite topics in the whole world. Survivor, the most out of your comfort zone you’ve ever been?
Lee Carseldine: Yeah in every sense of the word. Physical, mental, emotional. It’s like an assault. Nick said in one of the quotes, and he’s great at sort of Survivor quotes, an assault on the senses. You can go from that euphoric feeling of winning a challenge to the absolute depths of despair in a matter of minutes or a matter of hours, when you know, you come back from winning a challenge to literally sleeping on the ground and it’s pissing down, and you’ve got a rock for a pillow, and you’ve got the clothes on your back and that’s all you’ve got. And you surviving off two or three hours of sleep at night and no food. We all know people have a bad nights sleep in the normal world, and how cranky people may get. Or if they miss a meal. Try that sort of for 54 days.
Jane Erbacher: For 54 days. What was the biggest lesson you took from Survivor?
Lee Carseldine: I think no matter how bad things may seem at any one point of time, I think things will pass if you know what I mean. So and to never get too high. And I think I learned that from sport, never get too high, especially with cricket, it can bite you in the ass quite quickly. If you’re out there showboating that you’re doing really well, [crosstalk 00:30:28]
Jane Erbacher: Yes, they love showing that on Survivor too.
Lee Carseldine: It bites you on the ass massively.
Jane Erbacher: Yep.
Lee Carseldine: And this is what happens with Survivor. You can go from the highest of highs to the lowest of lows, but if you stay level and know that either, especially when you’re down, and you’re so down that things will pass. Even yesterday was a horrible day for me, but I just kept in the back of my mind, stay in the present moment, tomorrow will be better. And give yourself time to grieve or to be down. You can’t stay up forever. You can’t stay up. It’s physically … Those people who stay up forever, I know they are gonna blow a gasket. Somethings going to happen to them.
Jane Erbacher: Totally.
Lee Carseldine: [inaudible 00:31:09] gonna combust or explode or something. So give yourself time to be down. Whether that’s an hour, or half an hour, five minutes. If it’s something massive give yourself a week, or give yourself a couple of days. But as soon as that time … Give yourself that time and get back into it and get going. So that’s really important.
Jane Erbacher: And learn from it.
Lee Carseldine: Yeah.
Jane Erbacher: Yeah that’s exactly right. I always think that as well. You’ve got to feel crap some days.
Lee Carseldine: You have to feel. You have to.
Jane Erbacher: And the thing that getting out of your comfort zone and I’m gonna use the term failing, it’s the wrong word, but seeing that you’re not indestructible maybe, shows you that you can actually do anything. Like having that feeling, that low, and coming out of it stronger, means that your like, “well I actually got through that. Like and it was so far out of my comfort zone, I did it, and I can pretty much do anything now.”
Lee Carseldine: Yeah and a lot of the times, you play it up in your head that things are going to be a lot worse than they are. And then when you actually do it, you go, “You know that wasn’t actually that bad.”
Jane Erbacher: Yep.
Lee Carseldine: Or sometimes it might be worse than what you think but you just know that with every failure, it’s a really corny … There’s corny quotes out there about failure is a step to success. But it is, because the only thing is if you learn from it. If you don’t learn from it, it is a failure.
Jane Erbacher: It is a failure.
Lee Carseldine: If you say, “Alright that was horrible, what did I do wrong? What did I do right?” Then you know that if you don’t repeat that process you’re getting slowly but surely closer to your end goal. What you want to achieve.
Jane Erbacher: Exactly. You amazing. So I want to know, if I want to work with you in some capacity. If I want to hear you speak, if I just want to work with you, how do I do it?
Lee Carseldine: It’s a bit of a strange one when I’m out there sort of talking to different businesses and I’m trying to … At the moment I’m doing some guest speaking for a lot of corporations, a lot of companies that sort of want to talk about resilience and sort of how my story can sort of help people in everyday life. Because I’m sort of doing it with them as well. I’ve got my own business, I’m not sort of a professional public speakers. So when I go out. They’re going hey guy, you need to do these five steps and if you follow these five steps, you’re going to be hugely successful. I don’t have that five step plan yet. But it’s just to show people that I’m actually with them. I’m in the same boat as them. And I’m out there sort of talking to schools, you know, even sporting organisations. So it’s all over the place at the moment. But yeah, people just get in touch with me on sort of any social media accounts and I’m happy to get out there and chat exactly like I am today, about how I overcame. And people can sort of resonate with that and sort of get something out of it.
Jane Erbacher: Because it’s a really important message that you have. And it’s made more important by your post, like your attitude to it all. Like it’s mot just that you’ve been an elite sportsman. It’s not just that you’ve been on Survivor. It’s how you’ve dealt with that and what you’ve built from it. And that’s what people want to learn from.
Lee Carseldine: And same with Survivor. [inaudible 00:34:05] come out, and I won’t lie to you, I was in a real bad place mentally when I came back. People really struggle to get back into the real world. And you know, obviously looking at it, I was so close to winning, and then thinking it was so close, and all the opportunities that came from that win. I could have just buried myself into a hole and not come out of it. And I sort of thought, now I’m against the world, I’ve lost this. But no, there were other opportunities out there and I believe I wasn’t destined to win it. I was destined to get close, and then my story was gonna help other people by other avenues rather than just having the title of being a Survivor winner.
Jane Erbacher: Exactly. And who knows if you would have been become a little bit more complacent if you’d won.
Lee Carseldine: Exactly. If I won I’d probably be more complacent. I probably wouldn’t be in the Country, I would have been in the island somewhere.
Jane Erbacher: Yeah yeah yeah exactly.
Lee Carseldine: And I probably wouldn’t be working. And out of that, I thought all I know that … I knew that I wasn’t going to win. After that I know, there was a time in which I had found out that I hadn’t won. There was probably a few months. I knew from that post that that final tribal council that I was absolutely smashed. So I knew that. But I was go out there and let’s change some opportunities, let’s open the door up and see what come my way.
Jane Erbacher: What an amazing attitude you have. It’s awesome. Okay, final question, favourite question, do you feel like you have a purpose in your life? And if you do, what do you think it is?
Lee Carseldine: I feel that with each day and year that passes that my purpose is getting clearer and clearer. I didn’t really think that I had a purpose when I was playing sport. Yes it was to play cricket, but it was a pretty selfish sort of thing. How good was I? And what I actually brought to the game in terms of entertaining people on a small scale. But I think that the more and more challenges that I go through and the struggles that I go through, that in life, and I’m sure there’s going to be many more that I could just share people. Share that with people and hopefully they can get something out of it. As I said, I’ll probably get a little bit more cleaner with regards to my story. In terms of I might come up with a five point plan. [crosstalk 00:36:07] I’m trying to go against that at the moment and just sort of keep it real.
Jane Erbacher: Yeah no you’re an amazing man, and I’m so grateful that you’ve been a part of this.
Lee Carseldine: No worries.
Jane Erbacher: Thank you so much.
Lee Carseldine: It’s been enjoyable.
Jane Erbacher: Thank you. And thank you everyone for listening.
Lee Carseldine: Thank you.
Jane Erbacher: Bye.
Jane Erbacher: If you would like any more information on anything that was discussed in today’s episode you can contact me, Jane Erbacher at www.the-me-project.com.au. You can also find me on Instagram @the.me.project_. Alternatively you can contact Revo PT at www.revopt.com.au. Or if you’d like to get in contact with Lee you can find him at diphenylaminechlorarsine or you can find him on Instagram @leecarseldine. Thank you so much for listening, we look forward to hearing from you.